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Author Topic: Can anyone confirm whether or not this vase is Leveille please?  (Read 1952 times)

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Re: Can anyone confirm whether or not this vase is Leveille please?
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2012, 02:21:10 PM »
it has a diamond point sig which is a good start.

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Re: Can anyone confirm whether or not this vase is Leveille please?
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2012, 02:42:28 PM »
blushes with embarrassment that my translation was unsure  :-[
Thanks Ivo  :-*
That's a good start. My vase in question  once I manage photos (and which has similarities) to follow
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Re: Can anyone confirm whether or not this vase is Leveille please?
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2012, 03:22:27 PM »
Any thoughts as to whether it is or isn't welcomed.  I have found one very similar to mine, same colour, same inclusions but I think different shape (hard to tell from their picture), which is id'd as Leveille and where they offer an authentication certificate, but I can't tell from their blurb or pics whether or not it is signed.  This one isn't.  I had reservations about the colour (did Leveille use this colour?) and the markings, which didn't seem as similar to other pieces (more muted colours, autumnal type colours and the markings seemed more powdery on the others I have found).  But then I found the one linked to above, where the markings seem more of a match and as I said above, the  blue one with inclusions that are the same.
8" (20cm) high 7" wide (17cm)  and very heavy for size, weighs about 3.5kg maybe a bit more
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Re: Can anyone confirm whether or not this vase is Leveille please?
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2012, 08:46:50 PM »
More defined pictures and better representation I think. The base wear is commensurate with a lot of age, worn completely matt ring.  The pontil mark is very large.  The crackle is felt on the inside of the vase, then cased with three swoops of coloured inclusions then cased over the top again, so smooth on the outside.  Weight is 6 1/2lb or 2 3/4kg (I was a little out with my estimate above now I've found the top to my scales.
All the above seem to fit with it being a Leveille piece c.1900 as far as I can see.  The only other I have found in this colour is a different shape, but has similar coloured inclusions.  I have found two others that seems to be from this era and range, i.e. more 'defined' shapes, less organic, and with the  'swoops' of internal inclusions, one in the original post in the thread the other here

http://www.ogallerie.com/auctions/2011-01/675.1.jpg
I think the way the vase is formed, the crackle on the interior, then the inclusions then the casing all seems to fit with the way they were blown according to what I have read.
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Re: Can anyone confirm whether or not this vase is Leveille please?
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2012, 09:03:04 AM »
This is the link to the other blue one I found, but unfortunately the pictures are limited and the shape isn't clear although I think it's a different shape to mine.
http://moinat.biz/leveillE-vase-frankreich-1900-5cm-stil-20eme-ref-1-02-0032-de
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Re: Can anyone confirm whether or not this vase is Leveille please?
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2013, 03:30:26 PM »
Just a link to provide more information and a confirmed id on my vase.

I should add that a blue one with the same decor as mine, same blue but different shape has been confirmed by the owner as signed.
I was just looking for a little bit more confirmation as the decor is quite distinct and quite modern looking.

I've provided a good link in the thread below to two signed pieces, both different decors (one which is the same as mine) but similar colours,  and both were owned by the same collection - thereby it is reasonable to believe the sigs on both were able to be confirmed as 'correct' by the owner of the collection -  and Ivo has added confirmation - thank you Ivo!
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,52030.msg295171.html#msg295171

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Re: Can anyone confirm whether or not this vase is Leveille please?
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2014, 02:14:11 PM »
Adding a little more to this thread

and also the information in my post here:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,52030.msg295178.html#msg295178
quote from my post
'Thanks Ivo, I've seen lots of those but hadn't found your links - lovely to see them.
I had previously found this signed one
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/8116303 - pertinent to me because it is very obviously from the same hand as a  vase I have.

I suppose I'm curious because the signed one I've just linked to here , as well as the Sotheby's one, and the one I own, all seem to be a 'range' if you like - and they seem slightly different in the way the colours have been used, to the pieces such as on Ivo's links.

 It's quite probably because they came a in a different period in Leveille's career, perhaps towards the end maybe, whereby the shapes seem somewhat 'more modern' than the era and the use of colours and they way they are applied seem a little different don't you think?
Everything about mine otherwise is 'right', the large polished pontil, the internal decoration over the crackle etc, I know I should just rest the case having found a signed piece so similar to mine - but you know how it is :)

edited to add
Having looked again at some more details, the vase I just linked to here
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/8116303
and this vase here
http://www.herr-auktionen.de/kataloge/onlinekatalog/detailansicht/article/vase-5626cfc2e6/?tx_ttnews%5Byear%5D=1970&tx_ttnews%5Bmonth%5D=01&tx_ttnews%5Bday%5D=01&cHash=e4f1030b466cfe3973d55e02075b1603
have both come from the same collection and both are signed - presumably the owner would have been able to check details and sigs so would I be reasonable in now laying to rest my query and putting a fairly firm id on these vases - including the one linked to first here as having been sold by Sotheby's?

If so I can do a little celebration dance  ;D for my vase'



I like to have as much cross referencing as possible when trying to id my pieces. 
I am very happy to have found another vase (not mentioned if signed although the one I linked to above is signed in diamond point), which has a combination of both the shape of mine (shoulders neck and rim) as well as the thickness of the glass and at the base, and also has the decor of those Leveille pieces that have coloured inclusions  applied in a more  'painterly' way,i.e. those that are more subdued than colours on my vase (and other pieces in the same 'range' as my vase).

I think this brings the two variations on a theme together very well :)
I feel as though this was the last piece in the jigsaw. I feel satisfied with my identification now :)
https://leverreetlecristal.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/v483.jpg

https://leverreetlecristal.wordpress.com/category/ernest-baptis

The last thing I had been searching for was the use of the very bright yellow in my vase,trying to see if it had been used in those pieces in the 'painterly range'.  Partly because all the pieces I'd found so far seemed to use a subdued ochre'ish yellow'
I found this lamp :)
http://www.aguttes.com/html/fiche.jsp?id=3088642

It's supposition on my part but I think the two 'ranges' possibly belong to slightly different periods.
Amazing to look at the experimentation on these vases and realise they were made 125 years ago.
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Re: Can anyone confirm whether or not this vase is Leveille please?
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2014, 04:16:44 PM »
Great information, m. - many thanks!  :)
And I couldn´t agree more with your last sentence. Personally I sometimes use my (unfortunately
damaged) Leveillé for a quiz and ask people to guess the age, which usually leads to some surprise.
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Re: Can anyone confirm whether or not this vase is Leveille please?
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2014, 08:28:24 PM »
Glad it was helpful Dirk :)
I was so pleased to find that vase with the shape.
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