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Offline scavo

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Romanian glass collectors out there?
« on: April 11, 2012, 10:21:45 AM »
I've got a couple of pieces of Romanian glass that although interesting and decorative, don't really fit with where I'm trying to go with my collection.

They are big and impressive in a decorative sense. They also wear there 'painterly' qualities as a badge of honour.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120891725210
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120891721463


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Re: Romanian glass collectors out there?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2012, 11:36:17 AM »
It's rather naughty to say identified as Romanian and then cite the GMB when it was only a maybe in the case of the yellow thing. Has the other one ever been on here?


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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2012, 05:39:00 PM »
Sorry, I don't mean to take liberties. I don't actually say GMB have IDed or confirmed, rather - "I am indebted to the help and expert opinions of contributors to the glass specialist forum" If I due a wrist slap then please issue. However ...

I'm happy that it is Romanian in comparison to other pieces I have that I KNOW are such and the comments of contributors here really helped me make the links.

Would you think it fair if I added a direct link to the thread? Then bidders can read it and make up their own minds? I actually don't think that knowingly or unwittingly misrepresenting it as Romanian would help. I'm not aware of Romanian glass being that collectable, or is it?

I'm saying all this in an open way as I do want to be a reliable trader and collector. I want to have a good rep here and on ebay. If you think I'm heading in the wrong direction please slap my wrists.


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Re: Romanian glass collectors out there?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2012, 02:55:26 PM »
I'm only in a position of strongly suspecting, but I have no "expertise" in this at all!

If it was mine, I'd be happy to believe it is Romanian, (until somebody who knows better puts me right - I'm open to new information).
I wouldn't have the confidence to state in a listing that it is Romanian. I have no evidence or proof to back it up.
Just a strong personal suspicion.

Wee criticism?  ;)

You do not mention or show in the pics the bright, rainbowy lustre finish!
It was that which gave me the confidence to mention Romania, in conjunction with the bubbles with the halo of dense enamel around them, and the lugs and ground base.

What is missing are large air bubbles with carbon deposits in them.

(I've been away out the country, haven't got pics of my bits yet, sorry.)
Cheers, Sue (M)

“All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.” Friedrich Nietzsche


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Re: Romanian glass collectors out there?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2012, 04:59:18 PM »
OK, but both of you have a lot more exoperience than me. What do YOU both think I should do? Someone's bid on it now!

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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2012, 05:28:29 PM »
Can you add a wee note? Just to say that it is strongly suspected to be Romanian, rather than definitely is?
If you like, I can "ask you a question" which could be added to the listing.
And after all, we didn't even pin it to a maker - just a country of (suspected) origin.

I really don't like being thought of as any sort of expert - I'm not, I'm a learner.

And it can be very alarming indeed to find somebody's taken some of my spoutings of vague thoughts and gut feelings as some sort of gospel!  :o :o :o

However, when it comes to listing things - I'm clueless about the vagaries of changing anything. I haven't got around to selling stuff yet.
Cheers, Sue (M)

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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2012, 05:45:26 PM »
I did add a note telling people to go to the discussion.

But yes, if you want to comment, or ask a question I'm happy with that. I don't want to sound blaze but I'm not saying it's Baccarat, or even any of the regarded countries: Scandinavian, Italian, Czech ... Although I do sell Romanian as a bit 'up and coming'. I am minor league, but a bit of a dealer nevertheless!

And as far as expert goes, you are compared to me!

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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2012, 06:40:02 PM »
I'm fairly sure Bernard can be credited with being the person who said:-
An "ex" is a has-been, and a "spurt" is a drip under pressure.  ;D
Not really very complimentary!

The problem, Scavo, is if folk take vague spoutings and unfounded opinions seriously, then run with them, they end up, chinese-whispers-style, entering mainstream "knowledge and wisdom" and can be a flippin' nightmare to try to undo later.

Somebody could look at your listing and decide that you have a definitive and accurate id, and so on and so on......

I think the "Royal Bohemia" myth is just about eradicated; years and years on, we're still struggling to eliminate the completely wrong name for Mdina "Fish" vases; the story that a round polished pontil mark means exclusively whitefrirs still circulates a bit; there is no such thing as "end-of-day" glass, but some clueless folk persists in promulgating the stupid notion.

It makes me scared to say anything - I don't want to be held responsible for being the origin of yet another stupid glass-urban myth, I really, really don't!

Ioan Nemtoi, (now working in Canada) is a Romanian artist to be looking out for.
Wonderful stuff!
http://www.artevo.com/artistbio.asp?artistCode=Nemtoi
I know about him;

and in the past have had discussions here with other folk who have encountered this bubbled, organic, thick, lustred stuff with roughly ground bases.
It's not overly scarce, most folk who have it seemed to have thought; "hmmm, interesting.... I'll get it and find out about it... "

I believe it was Ivo who recognised the style as being Romanian. We really have not progressed any further than that.

Cheers, Sue (M)

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Re: Romanian glass collectors out there?
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2012, 08:04:37 PM »
I think I can say that I certainly will be more careful in future. Right now I can add any detraction on your part. Ultimately I can cancel the bid and re launch the auction after rewording the blurb. I'd rather not, but I'd rather do that than upset the people here who have helped me so much.

This is all a such a steep learning curve for me. I did this kind of business in the pre internet age, then did other things for a while. I dealt in posters exclusively for 10 years, taught English overseas and returned to the UK and picked up where I left off with ceramics and glass. Back in the 80s there wasn't such a concern about what something was, people bought things because they liked them. But now with the keyword driven search engines 'tags' become so much more important - and what you say is a permanent record. Selling online is such a tricky business. If I incorrectly describe something I am obligated to refund the buyer and the cost of the return postage. I'm aware of all this and am mindful of it when writing auction descriptions but realise I could be more subtle or less affirmative, especially with this one.

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Re: Romanian glass collectors out there?
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2012, 10:14:30 AM »
 ;)
I really don't think you need to go messing around with things too much on this occassion - I think we can tell you're decent and honest and doing your best!
As much as anything, this "slapped wrist" is to protect you from comeback and hassle, as it is to prevent the spread of "unconfirmed-although-quite-possible" information.

Cheers, Sue (M)

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