Topic: Salvador or Paul Ysart inkwell?

[Gary]

Whilst viewing the Perth museum Monart collection, I took these pictures of this inkwell. What I would like to know is this a Salvador or  Paul Ysart inkwell, the base is green.
Gary

[tropdevin]

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I don't think it is by Paul - but what does Kevin think - that's the important question?

Alan

[KevinH]

... what does Kevin think - that's the important question?

Actually the really important question is whether anyone knows of actual evidence of whether any bottles like the one shown were made prewar!

Current accepted ideas are that bottles of this shape and with the striped neck and well patterning are by Salvador Ysart. This is based on a) confirmation by Paul Ysart that a bottle of the same shape and with striped neck and well was "one of dad's" and  b) at least three examples seen in later years of similar bottles with a "Y" cane in both the stopper and the base.

Another similar bottle is illustrated (in b&w) in British Glass Between the Wars and the text with that is a source of information that suggested it was made in the 1930s as a personal gift for somebody. I bought that bottle at the Christie's sale of Ian Turner's Monart collection and after speaking with Ian, I was happy that the text was only hearsay and that probably 95% of similar bottles were actually made post-war at the Ysart Brothers company (trading name Vasart) and generally referred to by collectors as Vasart.

[Gary]

These two pictures were taken at an earlier visit to Perth museum and were describe by the museum as Monart post war advertisement material. The inkwell shape is very like the one in my earlier post, the door handle has a PY cane in it.
Gary

[KevinH]

The bottle in the b&w photo is by Paul Ysart, which would tie in with the museum description of post-war Monart.  The shape is similar to the Salvador / Vasart bottles but the important point is that it is the shape plus the striping in the neck & well (and the stopper shank) that mark bottles of this type as Salvador / Vasart.

Other than that, without getting into cane analysis, it is usually the size of the bottle and stopper that is the next best indicator of Paul Ysart bottles which tended to be larger than those of Salvador / Vasart. But it's not quite that simple. Sizes vary within both Paul's and the Salvador / Vasart bottles.

Another point is that (probably) most Paul Ysart bottles have a clear neck & well (and stopper shank). But there are several known that are decorated in those sections. However, I have never yet seen or heard of a Paul Ysart bottle with the striping as in the Salvador / Vasart examples.

And although the majority of Salvador / Vasart bottles do have striping in the neck & well, there are some that have clear glass in those sections. Some folk have thought these must be by Paul Ysart, but the canes (and other features) show them to be of the Salvador / Vasart type.

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The PY doorknob is a good example of something that is rarer than his inkwells!

[Gary]

Thanks Kevin for your concise and informative reply.
Gary