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Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2013, 04:40:07 PM »
Hi m,
another voice from Austria: yes indeed, a very fascinating and attractive weight- and the opinions of experts are pinpointing
the problem already. No doubt, by the actual state of knowledge, a French weight, and factory 8 a good working title.

Maybe someone from the St. Mande works made the facscinating roses- they made roses with shards of white glass and very complex canes- but sorry there's not yet a match with an identified St. Mande rose cane to your example.

My first question is always- is it "lead glass"? Antique weights from France, England and the USA are known to be made of this kind of glass. Antique "Bohemians"- there is only one supposed source  with lead glass (Egermann).

attached a very small rose cane by St. Mande, this time a micro "collapsed tube" type, kind regards E.


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Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2013, 09:02:56 PM »
thanks you also for your help and further information on this -
yes I believe lead glass - it glows under UV light with the same intensity but I think just a teeny fraction bit greener than my Clichy weight, which glows a fraction more to yellow.
I've found a few St Mande weights that vaguely remind me of mine.  One with a green and white rose (see link for reference)

http://catalogue.drouot.com/ref-drouot/lot-ventes-aux-encheres-drouot.jsp?id=2599418

I've also come across this one which has many canes in.  There's something different about the canes in mine though, the way they are constructed.  I probably can't explain it properly, but these look as though the rods that make up each cane were mostly bundles within a clear surround so each cane appears to have lots independent rods if you see what I mean.  Whereas with mine quite a few of the canes seem to have the rods bundles within a coloured surround/casing, so they 'appear' differently, more like a stick of rock is what I think I'm trying to say.
http://www.world-encheres.com/boisgirard/vo30052011/images/boisgirard_30052011-024.jpg

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Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2013, 12:04:26 PM »
Hi m,
another voice from Austria: yes indeed, a very fascinating and attractive weight- and the opinions of experts are pinpointing
the problem already. No doubt, by the actual state of knowledge, a French weight, and factory 8 a good working title.

Maybe someone from the St. Mande works made the facscinating roses- they made roses with shards of white glass and very complex canes- but sorry there's not yet a match with an identified St. Mande rose cane to your example.

My first question is always- is it "lead glass"? Antique weights from France, England and the USA are known to be made of this kind of glass. Antique "Bohemians"- there is only one supposed source  with lead glass (Egermann).

attached a very small rose cane by St. Mande, this time a micro "collapsed tube" type, kind regards E.
p.s.:

please have a look at this:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,16293.0.html?PHPSESSID=95i5v0pp9nir4j6f7642dsii34
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/bridgesantiques/Paperweights

maybe from the same group?? and surely not Clichy....
kind regards Erhard
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Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2013, 12:31:00 PM »
Hi Erhard
Yes I linked to that one on page 3 of this thread :)
here
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,47540.msg308383.html#msg308383
I found it by accident and it started me off looking again for this weight.

If you go back to that post in this thread I also found two more on the Christie's online search that are possibly from the same maker.  I believe I have linked four with the same rose - I'm so curious to know where this was made :)
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Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
« Reply #34 on: February 29, 2016, 10:30:56 PM »
Polite bump to see if any further knowledge has surfaced regarding the roses in my paperweight please, or perhaps even a possible maker?

Thanks for any help :)
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Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2016, 07:49:35 AM »
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Hi.  I think that research by Paul Dunlop (see his PCA Bulletin articles) is pointing towards 'unknown French factory'. 

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Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2016, 10:18:01 AM »
Thank you :) 
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Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2016, 10:22:49 AM »
Thanks Alan - btw is there any further evidence of there being more than the four I've found so far that have very close similarities (four apart from the on on the Christie's site that Kev gave me the link to)?

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Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2016, 04:11:51 PM »
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Hi.  I have not been keeping records, I am sorry to say, but I have seen a few similar pieces go through auction in the past 5 years.  Whether these were all distinct pieces, or maybe repeats, I do not know.  A couple were in lesser French provincial auctions.  I suspect there are a lot more than four out there!

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Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2016, 06:28:14 PM »
yes me too, I was just wondering where they all were - the more there are to compare, the more chance of someday finding out from whence they came.
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