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Offline Nick77

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Re: Three cherries cane ?
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2012, 03:10:10 PM »
I think the other one in the lot repolished could be interesting too, old english?
I think the 20- 30 estimates gone now though ;)

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Re: Three cherries cane ?
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2012, 12:01:18 PM »
hallo,  im newbie to the glass message board but have the 3 cherries  (7 canes) weight which i just bought at the auction together with an old english weight. (i live nearby) i'm no expert  but i was presuming it could be a salvador weight after research, as it has the internal daisy canes almost same as bob halls concentric for sale and item 15 on ysart web page, and cherries are mentioned as 'salvadors cane' in kevins web page, but no pic.  if ive got it right or not?  blue  base has some untidy grinding and glass looks green .  just over 3 ins diameter  can try to post pics if anyone interested.(some on saleroom site )appreciate any comments
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Re: Three cherries cane ?
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2012, 02:04:59 PM »
Hi.

You outbid me (and others, I'm sure) on the cherries cane weight - an interesting piece - the cherry cane could have been used by Salvador, or someone else at Vasart.

The Old English weight in the lot is probably a Richardson, but the image on the auction site is so poor it is hard to tell, I guess because it is scratched. Has it got a high dome, or is it fairly flat? If the latter, then it is probably a cut down bottle base.

I saw there was an awful Chinese lizard, examples of which were in various charity shops a few years ago - someone paid 95 plus commission for it, which is about 92.50 plus commission too much IMHO!

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Re: Three cherries cane ?
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2012, 04:45:32 PM »
Hi Alan,

Are you saying that the weight in lot 1784 (Eastbourne Auction Rooms) was purchased for 95 excl. commission? Really?

That is an amazing result for the seller, indeed.

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Re: Three cherries cane ?
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2012, 04:56:35 PM »
Hi sussexglass, welcome to the Board.

Well done on your purchase. The "Cherries cane" weight is interesting because the cane is usually only seen singly, and not that often.

Yes please to images in this thread - that would be very helpful for future reference. Please post at least three views: Top (straight down), Side (straight on) and Base (straight on). Depending on how the base is finished, an angled view may also be helpful.
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Re: Three cherries cane ?
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2012, 09:47:04 PM »
hi kevin, i will get pics done in morning.thank you for your comments.

alan, regarding the other weight, the scratched one,the outside canes  are brought together under the base ( no ridge) and not cut and it looks pretty untouched, so not sure about inkwell. but you could be right. . no chips or bruises but as you say, could do with a light polish. there's a man i know who used to work at whitefriars who can do it ok although it wont suit some who like their paperweight 'warts and all' even if you cant see all the canes. auction pics can be a bit difficult to make out, no substitute for boots on the ground. bought a signed kilner weight with pink flowers recently cus base was unreadable on internet and just catalogued as a 'dump' cheers. appreciate your imput


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Re: Three cherries cane ?
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2012, 08:08:01 PM »
posting my images of the 'cherries' paperweight   dms 3 1/8 diam  1 5/8 high inches   'cherries' small solid cogs uder the loupe. appreciate any feedback many thanks


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Re: Three cherries cane ?
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2012, 11:07:01 PM »
Thanks for adding those photos.

The base view matches well, in colour and finishing style, with several Ysart Brothers weights, and one of those (in my collection) is signed with acid "Ysart Bros Handmade Scotland".

The majority of canes are of the type that I call "open-centred daisy / star" and so far, every weight I have seen that is signed with a "Y" cane (perhaps about 20 weights) uses at least one row of the "open-centred daisy / star" type of cane. Most of the "Y" weights have the majority of the rows with that style of cane.

One "Y" weight that I know of is on a ground that also ties in well with this weight and my signed "Ysart Bros" example.

Although we cannot be 100% certain that Salvador Ysart made all of the Vasart-type weights using the "open-centred daisy / star" cane, I think the evidence to date gives a strong indication that he probably made most of them.

A word of caution though. The "open-centred daisy" cane style was also used by Paul Ysart. So far, though, I do not think I have seen an "open-centred star" in his work. But anyway there are all sorts of clues that separate his work from that of Salvador and Paul's brothers.

A good collecting theme could be based on the "open-centred daisy / star" cane as it would cover a large variety of "inner elements" and all sorts of weights with other interesting canes in them. And that would include at least two types of "Salvador Rose Cane" in addition to the "cherries cane"!!
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Re: Three cherries cane ?
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2012, 11:20:37 AM »
KevinH,  Many thanks for your detailed appraisal and suggestions about collecting in this area. i'm pretty new to scottish glass and only bought my first pwt item, (a p.ysart harland wt) a few months ago. thanks again. sussexglass


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Re: Three cherries cane ?
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2012, 12:00:26 PM »
just wanted to add after looking at other pages on tis site that 'cherries ' may be an inaccurate description, 'red flowers on a green stem' has been described elsewhere for this cane or does anyone have a anothe title?

 

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