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Author Topic: thos webb cameo vase pattern id please?  (Read 3730 times)

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Offline Cazza

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thos webb cameo vase pattern id please?
« on: June 23, 2012, 08:55:57 AM »
can anyone tell me is this the fleur pattern, i cannot find another like it. thanks

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/5/4/1/2/4/webimg/584089027_o.jpg
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Re: thos webb cameo vase pattern id please?
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2012, 01:50:44 PM »
Looks like Webb cameo fleur (pseudo-cameo)1930's I think ;D

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Re: thos webb cameo vase pattern id please?
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2012, 03:15:38 PM »
Hi yes the mark on the base is 1935 i think, is there anywhere i can find others, i am trying to find out the value.
thanks
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Re: thos webb cameo vase pattern id please?
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2012, 03:40:05 PM »
very nice vase.         According to Hajdamach, Keith, he says these are wrongly called pseudo cameo -  the word Webb may well be in raised (relief) letters.       I wouldn't have thought there'd be a set value for something like this  -  more a case of what a collector is willing to pay at a specialist aution perhaps (or ebay).            You might try Fieldings the autioneers, they may well have sold cameo fleur in recent times.

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Re: thos webb cameo vase pattern id please?
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2012, 03:46:41 PM »
Many thanks, bought locally at auction, where no-one else bid :-) not sure why they didn't its lovely.
I will take a look at fieldings.
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Re: thos webb cameo vase pattern id please?
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2012, 06:21:55 PM »
Shall have to read why,bit behind in my reading ::),

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Re: thos webb cameo vase pattern id please?
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2012, 08:06:30 PM »
There's an amber version currently on eBay (with lots of nice photos and a link to another similar) that may give some idea of the value
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130714485333?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

I'm sure I've seen one illustrated in an old Thomas Webb Dennis Hall Museum catalogue, and I'll post a photo and their description as soon as I can find it.

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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2012, 08:19:55 PM »
Photo and description from Thomas Webb Museum Dennis Hall (printed about 1984):
10" "Pseudo-Cameo" glass Vase (Design No. 44565 - 1930). The vase has amber tulips against a stiippled crystal glass background.

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Re: thos webb cameo vase pattern id please?
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2012, 08:49:53 PM »
is this a case of them being done by Acid Etched method?  Hence being referred to as 'pseudo cameo' (i.e. not handcarved cameo?)
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Re: thos webb cameo vase pattern id please?
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2012, 10:17:34 PM »
it seems the original definition of the word cameo is linked to the shell carvings, and the great cameo artists did of course 'carve'.          Maybe the thinking is that......... provided you are 'cutting' back (to create a design) of one colour which has been overlaid completely on another, then you still end up with the same result, which is.............a design in relief (whether the process be dry or wet).           There are similar effects produced in gem stones, although that is a dry process.

It seems there were slightly varying methods of creating the final appearance of this 'pseudo cameo' effect.       If you look in Roger Dodsworth and Hajdamach, there are examples of both E. & L. and Richardson pieces, which are created using slightly different techniques.      Pieces from those factories also apparently carry the appropriate backstamps, and it's easy to see why these two factories made use of the process..............since they were both owned by Thomas Webb. 

I have a Celtic sort of design on a Webb plate, with blue cut back to a clear hammered finish, although I had never thought of it as pseudo cameo  -  I'll post a pic tomorrow. :)       

 

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