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Re: underplate with mystery mark.
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2014, 03:53:34 PM »
It was a bit of lateral thinking that brought the result, Paul. :) 

The butter dish is in the Useful (as opposed to Ornamental) designs classification. I had a read of the Nat.Arch. helpfile to see what it says about them...
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Registers and representations under the 1843 Act 1843-1884
...  record series BT 45 and BT 46.
These are the designs submitted to the Patents, Designs and Trade Marks Office under the terms of the Non-ornamental ('Useful') Designs Act 1843. Representations by classification ‘useful’, design range 1-6740.
The registers are divided into three parts: a register of the items by design number, an index to proprietors’ names in BT 46/5-7 and an alphabetical index to subjects in BT 46/9.

01/09/1843 30/06/1884  1-6740 Non-Ornamental (Useful) Designs
Representations: BT 45/1-30
Registers: BT 46/1-4
Index to Proprietors' Names: BT 46/5-7 (7 (8

01/09/1843 12/04/1883- Alphabetic Index to Subjects
BT 46/9 (8

Diamond marks were used on all material classes, i.e.
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I   Metal
II   Wood
III   Glass
IV   Ceramic
V   Wallpaper
VI  Carpets
VII-XIII   Textiles of various kinds, including dress and furnishing fabrics
But that doesn't help explain why yours is an oval one!

Neil: If you go to the Nat. Arch. website and into the Discovery catalogue search box put:

"Useful Registered Design Number" glass

and select 1800-1899 as the date range, it brings up 74 registrations, which include two for Manchester Glass - 4631 (as above) and 4632 (another butter dish.) Hope this helps. :)


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Re: underplate with mystery mark.
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2014, 04:33:15 PM »
thanks for your poking around Anne  -  perhaps mine was the prototype, and didn't get as far as a lozenge. ;)

So would appear nothing to do with MW then Neil, and in view of other designs for similar objects, it probably did have a cover/lid, although I don't think I missed seeing it when I bought the base, but will go back just in case.

 


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Re: underplate with mystery mark.
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2014, 05:03:19 PM »
Am I missing something? Thomas George Webb was running Molineaux and Webb in 1864, aka The Manchester (Flint) Glass Works.

It looks to me like the two numbers 4631 and 4632 correspond to butter dishes 74 and 73 in the Molineaux Webb pressed glass catalogue.


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Re: underplate with mystery mark.
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2014, 05:12:55 PM »
nope - obviously my misunderstanding re the names :)


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Re: underplate with mystery mark.
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2014, 06:30:15 PM »
I have had one of these for a number of years (just the base), wondered about the shape and couldn't find the manufacturer.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Mike

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Re: underplate with mystery mark.
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2014, 07:30:01 PM »
pity we don't each have the opposite corresponding half - at least we could make up one whole butter dish :)

 

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