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Author Topic: Art Deco cut amber vase pair British?  (Read 833 times)

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Offline scavo

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Art Deco cut amber vase pair British?
« on: July 26, 2012, 09:57:09 PM »
found this wonderful pair today.

They stand around 12" tall and weigh 1.7kg each.

The top edge is finished (see photo 2) in a similar way to a Stevens and Williams art deco vase on p146 of 20th Century British Glass by Hajdamach. Other than that I don't have much to go on, apart from a wide, highly polished pontil (photo 3) and a colour match to some amber Stuart crystal I have.

You thoughts are appreciated.

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Re: Art Deco cut amber vase pair British?
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2012, 11:30:32 PM »
Have a couple of vases with similar finished rims no idea where they are from,the colour of yours remind me of Stuart 'Stratford' bowls,but that's not really much to go on ::) ;D ;D

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Re: Art Deco cut amber vase pair British?
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2012, 07:53:14 AM »
Hi Keith, thanks for chipping in. I have a Stuart Stratford jug and the colour and pontil are very similar. I was looking it up in the book (above) and found the Stevens & Williams similarity.

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Re: Art Deco cut amber vase pair British?
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2012, 08:30:07 AM »
I agree the colour looks very Stuart but I think you would be better looking for the cutting pattern itself and the shape of the vase. The top rim is chamfered (to help prevent chipping) and ground and polished; nothing unique there beyond a mark of quality. The polished pontil mark is not unique either.

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Re: Art Deco cut amber vase pair British?
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2012, 08:53:17 AM »
I thought the Stratford all had several rings in the bottom ?  :-\ Nice quality .

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Re: Art Deco cut amber vase pair British?
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2012, 08:59:11 AM »
Hi Christine, I realise that the threads of evidence I have do not amount to much. And thanks for confirming that this is indeed a quality pair. I was hoping the Hajdamach book would offer more. The designer of the S/W vase mentioned is Keith Murray so I am going to investigate his work more.

I thought the Stratford all had several rings in the bottom ?  :-\
I think the reference is to the shade of amber we have on pieces of Stratford.

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Re: Art Deco cut amber vase pair British?
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2012, 09:17:41 AM »
I would expect them to lead crystal; are they?

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Re: Art Deco cut amber vase pair British?
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2012, 05:23:40 PM »
In my original draft for this post I called them crystal. But I took it out because I wasn't sure.  How can I check other than the ringing check? They do have a very long and clear ring.

I know a well polished, concave pontil does not give firm evidence of Whitefriars. But even Mark Hill uses it as a pointer in IDing Whitefriars. I read as much in a post on his website about a rarer Baxter vase he picked up for a tenner.


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Re: Art Deco cut amber vase pair British?
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2012, 06:04:58 PM »
A well-polished concave pontil mark just indicates quality, nothing and no-one else. If your vase has a good long ring then it is lead crystal. Whitefriars' bases tend to have cut and polished rims surrounding polished pontil marks; that's possibly the pointer he saw.

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Re: Art Deco cut amber vase pair British?
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2012, 06:31:00 PM »
I am pretty sure its not WFs but of similar quality why not ask on W/Fs.com they have wide experience of lookalikes , i tend towards Stuart as i have seen slightly similar Stuart pieces . no harm in asking . I have found Whitefriars pontils are usually  not as wide as the other UK firms ie Webb and Stuart to name two . Whitefriars rareley go from near edge to edge .


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