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Author Topic: Goldberg or Moser?Amethyst cologne Acid Cut Back gilded panel birds/flowers  (Read 9282 times)

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oh darnit  ;D
The Oertel one, there is one apparently signed with an 'O' in the decor, in Cappa page 115
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Alas
No the Ortel is different -in fact a bit of a surprised dear!
oh I also managed to spot a slight geographical error - one oroplastic type they displayed their is in fact Kralik -not exactly Haida area!

sorry no pics

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Well I think being able to identify the Adolf Rasche piece is still fantastic  :)
I also think those cologne bottles help hone in on the area...so all good - I like having some research to do  ;D
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This one is id'd as Oertel-Haida
I can't see exactly if the decor is the 'phoenix' but it looks like itmight be.  Mine also has 12 facet cuts.
http://www.icollector.com/Stemmed-Bowl_i1216905
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Sorry I'm just adding these here for future reference
this one also attributed as Oertel  different gilded decor of ladies holding hands with greenery in the background.
http://antikes-glas.de/product_info.php?cPath=3_59&products_id=237&osCsid=6e9486283d8d4706f6997c42f628c550

and bingo!
This one is also attributed as Oertel it is the Phoenix decoration
Any way of double checking this one? the references are
"These items were exhibited at the World Exhibition in Paris around 1925
Copies in the Passau Glass Museum, Room 32 "
http://antikes-glas.de/product_info.php?cPath=3_59&products_id=367

and bingo again - this one is a blue version of the 'Adolf Rascha' vase and is identified as such and is marked the same way as the green one on the base and the same way as Ivo's linked jardiniere.
http://antikes-glas.de/product_info.php?cPath=3_59&products_id=400
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Wow that's starting to be quite a reference set.

Very interesting.

The Passau reference is I think now out of date -basically that whole ground floor of Passau was rearranged and resorted some time earlier this year - an amazing job - so the Phoenix pattern is no longer, if it ever was, attributed to Oertel.

But there is nothing to say its not Oertel -except the only attributed piece I seen is quite different in style.

I do think we have that other pattern nailed as Rasche though.

Mind you dozens of glass houses must have dabbled in the oroplastic technique -lots round Haida, Moser to the east and Kralik and 'sort of Loetz' to the south too.

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ah ha

Finally I've found an image of the Oertel oroplastic type design - that I can display -still not very good, the lighting on that floor is horrid.

Its from Passau separated from the general oroplastics and in an Oertel cabinet

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thanks Mike!!
I think I prefer the Phoenix decor  :-[
That is in a 'medallion' or 'cartouche' type effect, so is the one in Cappa but they are completely different in decoration, style of vase, theme ..in every way in fact.
The Cappa identification though just says ' signed 'O' in relief  on a medallion on of the decor.'.  I wonder if that is a recognised Oertel method of signature? i.e. is that definitely an Oertel vase inCappa page 115.  I hesitate to question any more...
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Yep

the O is a recognised Oertel signature

and yes I prefer the phoenix too!

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ok thank you - I need a couple more books  ::)
also then, if they are both Oertel, it appears Oertel did do different variations of this oroplastic decor. But they don't look very like the phoenix do they? 
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