Topic: Goldberg or Moser?Amethyst cologne Acid Cut Back gilded panel birds/flowers

[Anne]

M, in case it's useful, the book on Czech Toilet Glass, Shranky Vuni, by Jitka Lnenickova & Petr Novy, gives the following as some of the producers of oroplastic decoration:
W Kralik in Lenora,
Moser in Karlovy Vary,
Harrach in Novy Svet,
C Goldberg in Novy Bor

[Mike M]

Gosh

Interesting she's added in Harrach -not sure I've ever seen or heard of Harrach Oroplastic decoration. But if Jitka says so I'm sure she's probably right.

If Brian is looking in, or Alica -have either of you seen Harrach oroplatic design? -it would be nice to know what it looks like.

cheers

M

[flying free]

Thank you Anne 
m

[Anne]

Mike, there is a photo of one piece with oroplastic decoration in the book attributed to Harrach - it's more open than other designs though... 

[Ohio]

I have a question & it concerns the answer the OP received from Moser pertaining to the OP's piece shape/form. Because of this piece I started reading Baldwin's Moser Artistic Glass II & Baldwin clearly states that Moser was top heavy in their decorating department & frequently bought high end blanks from Harrach, Meyrs Neffe, Muhlhaus & Loetz for use in their decorating department. Now if Balwin is correct these shapes/forms would not have appeared in Moser records as Moser shapes/forms & is it not feasible that these pieces "Ask" Moser are disclaiming could be from the Moser decorating department & were in fact sold as Moser? Also would this not lead to instances involving multiple firms blanks such as Harrach being found with oroplastic decoration ?  Ken     

[Mike M]

http://www.ebay.de/itm/OERTEL-Glas-Bonboniere-Glasdeckeldose-/200811686382?pt=Glas_Kristall&hash=item2ec14f29ee

M
Just adding this to your reference list -a nice piece with apparently original label -Ortel

Ohio
from my experience with the Moser people they would count as Moser pieces of Moser work on others blanks. Also Baldwin isn't 100% accurate -having said that its an interesting list of potential blank makers. I didn't even know Muhlhaus ever made blanks!?

M 

[flying free]

Thanks Mike - I wonder if we can get a picture from the seller for reference here after the listing has gone?
I have to ask given Ken's comments from the book, how much do we think Moser would have been using other people's blanks during the period Oroplastic designs were prolific (1920's?) - I had supposed it would be the other way round with other decorators using Moser blanks if anything 
m

[Mike M]

Hi

Actually quite a complicated question

I think it was in 1922 that Moser took over Meyr's Neffe -I'm not sure how big Meyr's Neffe was in 1922 but in 1900 they were big! Which suggest to be Moser were indeed buying capacity (as well as designs etc).

The oroplastic pieces are probably all after 1920 -they registered the term in 1919. Looks like most designs though were after 1922.

So their need for blanks probably changed a lot in the early 20s -and so that doesn't help much

sorry not to be more usefull

M
 

[flying free]

Mike thanks for the further explanation - btw there are two pieces of glass with oroplastic decoration under Harrach in Truitt's page 67 - both have dancing maidens on them.
m

[Mike M]

ah ha

Harrach Oroplastics !

Although I tend to challenge most books for accuracy both Deb T and Jitka are amongst the very very best.

So as far as I'm concerned case proven - I'd just not seen/noticed examples before.

thanks

Mike