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Interesting point Roger.  The flower is almost identical to this flower in the rain I have

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/pooleandpaperweights/DSC_0263.jpg

The key thing is this flower in the rain is blieved to be a trial, and is rather unusual as it has a JA cane in the base!

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/pooleandpaperweights/DSC_0267.jpg

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But isn't the Flower in the Rain a Caithness trial... Did you take it to the Edinburgh Conference? Or am I confused as usual?


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It's marked CIIG and has been seen on here before. I didnt take it to any conference though....

Ian


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For additional interest:

The design of the flower itself follows on from similar items made by Salvador Ysart in the Ysart Brothers years and was very likely a more solid version of his upright "frit-flower" weights believed to be genuinely pre-war items.

But as with many such things, upright flowers of that type were also made in the 19th century in Europe. So Jack Allan's Flower-In-The-Rain weights was a more modern, and very attractive,  version of an old style. And even mroe modern versions were continued in Scotland by, at least, Willie Manson in his own studio.
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The theme makes sense but when did Jack work for Caithness?
        Regards Roger.


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Actual dates are unceratin, but I think JA was at Caithness for only a very few years starting 1973 or 1974. His Flower In The Rain design was listed as 1974.
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Re: Unknown maker of this very nice flower weight ID = Strathearn D4, 1969
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2012, 06:12:47 AM »
Andy Nowson would know, as would Dave Moir (he gave a talk on Jack at the Edinburgh conference)


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Re: Unknown maker of this very nice flower weight ID = Strathearn D4, 1969
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2012, 08:06:03 PM »
Hi all

Some information about Jack Allan at Caithness..................

Ken Wainwright was the hot glass tutor at Edinburgh College of Art but went to Caithness at Oban in 1972 as site manager
and took on Jack Allan from Perthshire Paperweights also in 1972.

Jack worked mainly at Oban but also a short period at Wick. While at Caithness he designed the Caithness version of
flower in the rain and also the first true crown weight for Caithness to celebrate the wedding of Princess Anne to Mark Phillips. 

Flower in the rain is listed in Charlton as a 1974 weight but several examples exist with a JA73 cane - weights are designed
at least the year previous that that when they appear as a Caithness production weight.
 
Jack left Caithness in 1973 and returned to Perth and possibly worked at the Moncrieff MONAX factory in St. Catherines Road.

Best regards

Derek





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Re: Unknown maker of this very nice flower weight ID = Strathearn D4, 1969
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2012, 08:12:52 PM »
Can the JA cane in mine be dated to a specific time period?

Was one of those fair moments when you pick up something which looks pretty normal, turn it over, and realise it definately isn't normal!

Ian


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Re: Unknown maker of this very nice flower weight ID = Strathearn D4, 1969
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2012, 08:38:12 PM »
Hi Ian

Given that your weight is a Caithness second* and has a JA cane in it is can only have been made in either 72 or 73.

*  Caithness used this term to indicate weights which to not conform to the master design in some way but also marked
trial and sample pieces on sale in the shop with CIIG.

Best regards

Derek

 

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