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Offline Gary

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variants of Monart SC shape ?
« on: August 04, 2012, 11:25:44 AM »
The photos here are of what I believe to  be a variant of the Monart SC shape and possibly an unrecorded shape. The first photo is a SC shape, what makes this one different it has a stopper as opposed to the one in the Monart catalogue which has not. The label and the piece is genuine, I have handled this piece and did bid on it.
http://www.lyonandturnbull.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=205++++++++3+&refno=++100063
The second is in the Perth museum collection, the neck on this one is much longer than the example in the Monart catalogue. The photo of this one is of poor quality, but I am going to Perth museum next to view the Monart archives and glass collection, so I will get a clearer image and measure it.
Gary


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Re: variants of Monart SC shape ?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2012, 02:04:20 PM »
Up date on my recent visit to Perth museum, below is a clearer image of Monart piece with dimensions included and a image of the base, which is indicative of early Monart production( no grinding of outer ring). The colour code is 162.
This piece is 33cm (13inches) tall and the one in the Monart catalogue is 23cm (9 inches), without other pieces to compare and measure against, it will be difficult to say if this one is an unrecorded shape or a variation of the Monart SC shape.
Does any member have a Monart shape SC ?, if so would it be possible to measure  the piece to compare with this one.
Gary


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Re: variants of Monart SC shape ?
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2012, 07:45:20 PM »
I have a question - when you say early Monart production, what period do you mean please?
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Re: variants of Monart SC shape ?
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2012, 08:25:15 PM »
That type of finish was used mainly in the period 1924 (the start of Monart production) to approximately 1929.
http://www.ysartglass.com/BaseLabel/Bases.htm
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Re: variants of Monart SC shape ?
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2012, 08:55:44 PM »
thanks :)
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Re: variants of Monart SC shape ?
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2012, 05:03:57 PM »
Hi,

It is of course quite possible that the way a piece of Monart is finished could relate to the shape being made, just as much as its chronology. Maybe this should be bourne in mind?

I know you're very careful about these things Gary, so just flagging up a thought ;) :)

Nigel

(PS. I haven't forgotten Gary, just had lots of domain and email problems - now sorted, but I'm away just now.)


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Re: variants of Monart SC shape ?
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2012, 09:12:04 PM »
I own the shape SC with stopper.  ;D

I also owned until recently another smaller SC without the stopper, the new owner is a friend and contributes to the Forum.   I know he hasn't as yet unpacked the bottle.   When I originally purchased it I believed it would be the same height as the decanter, but it's much, much smaller, no more than 7" in height.    I have no doubt if I sent the new owner an e/mail, he'd be able to confirm dimensions and may be provide a better picture

Mary


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Re: variants of Monart SC shape ?
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2012, 09:32:02 PM »
2 pics of decanter

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Re: variants of Monart SC shape ?
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2012, 09:34:10 PM »
try again - second pic should be of the base  !!!

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Re: variants of Monart SC shape ?
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2012, 12:02:26 PM »
Good point Nigel, but I did say "was mainly used" perhaps It should have been "mainly found". To date no post war pieces (1947-1961) has been unidentified with that type of finish. That leaves the pre war period (1924-1939) and every piece of Monart with a Monart Ware label (1924-1929/30) that I have owned, seen and have images of, have this type of finish. The only period left is when the Monart Glass label with the size, shape and colour code was in use (1929/30-1939), so far I have only come across one labeled piece from this period with that type of base finish.
Thanks Mary that would be great. Did you purchase the red and black SC at Burns auction house (2009).

Gary

 

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