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Clichy or Pantin?

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Simone:
This is in the Sotheby's catalogue and they said it's antique French, but thought it was maybe Clichy, although I think that possibly it's Pantin. Does anyone else have an idea who the maker could be?

http://search.sothebys.com/images/products/4/L/4LNRL-smaller-W06730-224-1.jpg

Simone:
This facetted Baccarat butterfly on a clematis is estimated at £1000 - £1500

http://search.sothebys.com/images/products/4/L/4LNRP-smaller-W06730-227-1.jpg

and yet the next one is estimated at £1500 - £2000

http://search.sothebys.com/images/products/4/L/4LNR9-smaller-W06730-215-1.jpg

KevinH:
I'm not sure about the flower weight - unusual design - needs looking up.

The first Baccarat butterfly is wobbly and off-centre. Hence the lower estimate.

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