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id help please antique french paperweight clichy ?
« on: September 06, 2012, 09:20:08 PM »
hi
bought this today think it is french but not sure of maker any info would be greatfull. i have looked at my books think it is clichy then baccarat then something else now i have gone goggled eyed
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Re: id help please antique french paperweight clichy ?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2012, 06:50:32 AM »
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I think this design is now attributed to the Grenelle factory - in the past they have been called St Mandé, and before that Bohemian!

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Re: id help please antique french paperweight clichy ?
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2012, 06:27:21 PM »
Hi
thanks for looking and the info
there is not much info about these makers i have 4 books on paperweights and there is nothing in them i have googled for 2 days now and not much out there as well. are they rare what age
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Re: id help please antique french paperweight clichy ?
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2012, 10:10:14 PM »
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The age is mid-late 19th century. They are not common (ie far fewer than Paul Ysart weights, say), but not so rare as to be particularly valuable. I think they usually sell in the £100 to £130 range if in excellent condition.

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Re: id help please antique french paperweight clichy ?
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2012, 10:42:58 PM »
Hi alan
thanks for the info i have just been reading past GMB posts you have said about these weights.you can see why us newbies to glass can get it all wrong when the same designers flit between the different companies. like you said Charles Bredgen who founded the Grenelle factory, having previously worked at St. Mande then moved to clichy, designs they must have moved as well
the canes on this weight seem a better quality than some of the photo's of other Grenelle /
St Mandé weights
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Re: id help please antique french paperweight clichy ?
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2012, 06:31:09 AM »
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Hi. I agree that some St Mandé and Grenelle are messy - but some are high quality.  See the two below - neat weights, with nice canes.

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Re: id help please antique french paperweight clichy ?
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2012, 08:57:55 AM »
Alan, I know that more information about the Grenelle factory has come to light in recent years.  May I ask what criteria are used in deciding whether a weight is in fact Grenelle, St Mande or Clichy, given the information that Charles Bredgen worked at all three and as Stew says, surely some designs would have moved with him? 

I am particularly interested in how those weights previously identified as St Mande are now attributed to Grenelle?  What does one look out for? 

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Re: id help please antique french paperweight clichy ?
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2012, 10:21:43 AM »
im certainly no expert but the 2 weights alan has look very clichy influenced. i suppose to the trained eye its like butter to margarine
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Re: id help please antique french paperweight clichy ?
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2012, 10:48:28 AM »
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Hi Leni.

I think Clichy canes are very distinctive, personally, but St Mandé and Grenelle are a different matter. A French collector - Philippe Frère - has carried out a lot of research on the two factories ( I think he was the man who helped confirm the existence of these factories together with Patty Mowatt and others).  He has written several articles about them, including one in the PCA Bulletin 2012 which has over 40 pictures of Grenelle weights and another 17 of their canes. I think that 11 cog canes are distinctive of Grenelle, as are canes with multiple layers of colour (such as those in the outer row of the Grenelle weight I have shown above).  But not all of their weights have these features, of course - one is then looking at the style of the canes.

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