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Author Topic: small shallow cameo glass pin dish - new Chinese? or older? ID = Touchard  (Read 5850 times)

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Offline chopin-liszt

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I suspect this might be related - and Cubby has solved it!

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,52615.msg298692.html#msg298692
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 :-* :-* thanks so much for remembering Sue.
and Cubby, thank you for posting.  I've searched on and off for ages for this, it's great to finally see others in the 'set' as well.  Wonderful :)
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I'm not remotely as good or as efficient as you are, flying-free, but just sometimes, I do manage something. ;)

Cubby did all the finding.  8)
I just did a wee connection.
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Sue I'm so happy you connected these otherwise I'd have missed it  :)
nd it's fab to get an id on them.  I'm a bit curious as to who the maker is or where from as I can't find much online on Touchard.  I did find a couple of cameo vases though with their name in cameo on them, so some further investigating needed now I think  :)  It's a great little range.
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I couldn't find much online either but I did run across one Touchard piece in red cameo here.   All these shallow ones seem to be about the same size.   The yellow vase in this picture below is only 3.5" so that gives an idea of the size of the Touchard cameo dish.
http://www.theriaults.com/default/index.cfm?LinkServID=F1F6B52C-BDB9-3413-D6B0A7098C7BF120&cid=186&r=339&aid=47117
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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2013, 09:25:02 PM »
oh thanks so much!  that red looks to be the same as mine and also the way the cameo design is done. And I like the ormolu type stand with it, Lovely,  Thank you!
One of the vases I found is signed in cameo Touchard whereas these little bowls aren't signed in cameo.  I'm very curious as to what Touchard was?  whether a retailer or a maker.  There are examples of French houses making for retailers and signing their pieces with the retailer name, so I was wondering if this might be an example of that perhaps?  I'm also wondering whether it might be a Belgian source as Ivo had suggested previously.  Of course it may just be a relatively unknown maker so far.  Very interesting...I love having something new to research.
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this cup and saucer are attributed at 19th century signed in gilt on the base F. Touchard, Rue de la Michaudiere No 12.
http://www.bigwoodauctioneers.com/index.php/photo/show/516/322/
I'm not sure the set has anything to do with these glass pieces, but just in case...added for reference.
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this cameo vase is signed in cameo 'Touchard'.
 It had reminded me of something and finally I remembered what - It reminds me of some De Vez pieces I've seen (see the link to the one on Glaskilian)
http://placedelours.superforum.fr/t10806-pate-de-verre-touchard
the subject matter is a bit odd for a French vase I thought,  in that it's a stag? I think?? :-[

This  one  on Glaskilian is id'd as De Vez -Cristallie de Pantin
http://www.glaswolf.de/Kleine-Vase-Camille.1460+B6YmFja1BJRD0xNDYwJnByb2R1Y3RJRD04MzQyJnBpZF9wcm9kdWN0PTE0NjAmZGV0YWlsPQ__.0.html

In fact having now looked at quite a few De Vez vases again,it does remind me a lot of them.  I also found one with a stag on it although different to the linked Touchard one.

 I'm just adding this for reference in case I forget - I wonder if there is any connection.  Perhaps De Ves made this vase for Touchard whoever they were?
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see above post
This vase, bottom right on the link (unfortunately when you click on it their link goes to the vase next to it so it's not possible to view it in large format), is apparently a De Vez vase and it looks to be the same shape as the Touchard cameo vase I linked to above - http://www.antiques-belgium.com/index.php/Verrerie/Art-Nouveau-1885-1920/de-Vez-Pantin/Voir-tous-les-produits.html

See also this vase, which is two layer cameo only burgundy cut to a pink background and also signed Touchard in cameo.
It looks quite different to the vase I posted above but has some similarities with the De Vez vase I've linked to below it -
http://www.antiquesimagearchive.com/items/124725.html#

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5158131

Touvier was a partner in Cristallerie de Pantin  (Source - The Art of French Glass page 16 Janine Bloch-Dermant) - I wonder if the 'Tou' part of the name is anything to do with the 'Tou' in 'Touchard' - just musing out loud here :)
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