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Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2012, 09:40:53 AM »
Hi JP, just rushing out but I wanted to acknowledge that I know you weren't saying it was Monart :)
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Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2012, 09:53:52 AM »
http://humlernolan.com/Auctions/June-2012/Art-Glass/0701

is the one that reminds me more of Jane Charles. I don't believe it is Monart at all.
Your lamp base is absolutely, 100%, not Monart.
I would very much doubt Anthony Stern for it either; Bob Crookes IMHO is a more possible contender. I imagine Phil Atril or Mike Hunter would also have the skills and experience required to make it.
Yours is not Vasart. Or any kind of Ysart.

Monart and Vasart also tend not to be completely smooth - but often have a slightly bumpy surface caused by their tendency to contain a fair few tiny bubbles in the casings.
Your lmap base does not seem to have any "seedy" air bubbles, and it looks to be significantly thicker glass than Monart or Vasart.

Your description of the depth of the green is really interesting - I have a few pieces of Mdina in which the silver chloride has coloured the clear glass casing a clear amber colour, as opposed to the more commonly found opaque yellowy ochre shades, over the teal blue inner.
This does give rise to a truly glorious shade of green. I shall have to try to photgraph some of that too.
eeek. my photography pile is piling up. And my photographic "skills" have gone on an unscheduled extended sabbatical.
Cheers, Sue (M)

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Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2012, 11:32:32 AM »
Sue, JP thanks so much  :)

So... gathering everything together where I am at the moment is:
Not Monart
Not Vasart
Not any Ysart
Not Whitefriars (but I love their cloudy white lattice - gorgeous)

And my feelings are it isn't Studio glass or more contemporary glass:
a) the foot, the finish on the foot,
b) the use of a mould (I think) to make the combing
c) the lamp glows bright orange under blacklight I found just now- manganese content?
d) yes now looking again in the light, it is full of tiny bubbles and some little black flecks including one larger one embedded in the glass.


I feel it is older than 80's or at least it feels 50's ish to me.  But how does that metal fitment fit in with that? 

I don't think it's Italian because of the finish on the base of the foot - wouldn't that be polished flat if it were Italian :-\


I'll keep looking  ;D  (and if anyone knows where that red lattice Vasart is for sale, please let me know)
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Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2012, 11:53:02 AM »
I have found that the yellow patches on Czech "spatter glass", (from around the '30s-'40s???) glow bright orange with UV.
(well, on my bits anyway- which are the kind with a black background and masses of brightly coloured splodges)

I don't know what does it and I haven't found other yellows which do it. I have wondered if it might be an "age" thing.
Cheers, Sue (M)

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Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2012, 12:31:27 PM »
whoops not manganese, possibly cadmium use - Christine explained it here
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,39233.msg217164.html#msg217164
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Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2012, 02:49:32 PM »
I´ve twice seen this decor attributed to Glashütte Schliersee, but neither do I know the source nor
do I feel able to judge about the reputability of this attribution.  :-\
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Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2012, 03:36:52 PM »
Hi M forget the contemporary guys,,,  its well before they were born . obviously by the fittings alone its got to be pre 1950 also the shape and technique screams very early 20th century . imho . jp


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Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2012, 09:48:04 PM »
Sue thanks  :) I've checked all my art deco spatter glass pieces and my Franz Welz vases with yellow in them and they glow orange.  None of my 'later' amber or yellow pieces do apart from that massive (Empoli?) yellow vase.  And nearly the whole lamp glows orange but with a bright orange at the base and it getting fainter towards the neck, so I feel convinced it has an amber overlaid on it.
Dirk, that is close, very very close. Ironically I had just started looking at WMF just in case.   Even the finish on the glass surface looks similar where, whilst it is completely smooth to touch, if you hold it to the light you can see faint striations in the glass - I think one of my close up pictures might show this somewhat.  Also the teeny bubbles the texture of the glass inside, it does look very much the same.  Thank you.  I willl investigate further.
JP thank you :) I will keep looking, but much earlier than I had been.  I do feel it is earlier than the 50's as well.
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Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2012, 09:30:26 AM »
 ;) Are you managing to contain yourself after seeing Dirk's link?  ;D
That does look like a very promising direction indeed.
Cheers, Sue (M)

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Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2012, 10:11:36 AM »
By saying early 20th century i was thinking 20/30s . jp

 

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