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Author Topic: Is this Lilac and cream glass Loetz / Micheal Powolny Tango glass please?  (Read 2471 times)

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Offline Lustrousstone

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Re: Is this Lilac and cream glass Loetz / Micheal Powolny Tango glass please?
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2012, 07:15:02 AM »
The yellow probably contains uranium but not necessarily. It looks right though

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Re: Is this Lilac and cream glass Loetz / Micheal Powolny Tango glass please?
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2012, 08:56:20 AM »
Hi Lustrousstone 
Thanks for your advice  ;D
Obscurities has posted that this may be Kralik, then I found more recent updates from the collectors weekly items from the original thread involving yourself in January on this msg board. To me, especially with the last 'Kralik Tango, riot of colour' link I can pick out features from the glass in those posts such as the whole flattened shape and applied detail to the rim of the smaller orange vase on the left in the group of 3 image and the prunts being virtually identical in all clear shots of them when compared to mine?
In some of my Kralik glass, there are differences in execution quality as described by obscurities, as some have manufacturing faults or tool marks within so I've uploaded some pics showing that :) This lilac and off white/cream piece has varying thicknesses in the applied detail to the rim if this turns out to be Kralik ?
   

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Re: Is this Lilac and cream glass Loetz / Micheal Powolny Tango glass please?
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2012, 09:22:49 AM »
Your lilac piece is part of the same range as all those pieces with prunts, which is probably Kralik. I've also seen green and cream pieces.

Kralik glass was hand-made (though in a factory); there are bound to be variations and small flaws. These were also not premium ranges, so the standard won't be as high as perhaps some scarcer pieces. Quality control standards weren't so high 100 or so years ago: discards mean waste, which costs money, and the workers were almost certainly on piece work. These are not features of Kralik particularly but of all antique and vintage hand-made or hand finished glass. It is only now that we demand perfection from hand-made items such as those produced by Dartington. (Dartington wine glasses, though hand-made, have their stems pulled by a computer-controlled machine!!)

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Re: Is this Lilac and cream glass Loetz / Micheal Powolny Tango glass please?
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2012, 09:40:35 AM »
Thankyou :))

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Re: Is this Lilac and cream glass Loetz / Micheal Powolny Tango glass please?
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2012, 11:09:39 AM »
How do we know they are probably Kralik?
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Re: Is this Lilac and cream glass Loetz / Micheal Powolny Tango glass please?
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2012, 11:12:08 AM »
The prunts are the same, and they match Lustrousstone's which do have Uranuim trim, I'm not yet convinced of the Kralik identification.
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Re: Is this Lilac and cream glass Loetz / Micheal Powolny Tango glass please?
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2012, 12:20:38 PM »
I think this argument is as near as we get (assuming Alfredo's initial assumption hasn't been disproved)
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/27288-kralik-in-butler-brothers-catalogs?in=user

Kralik glass is incredibly versatile

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Re: Is this Lilac and cream glass Loetz / Micheal Powolny Tango glass please?
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2012, 12:23:53 PM »
I never felt these bits were quite Kralik quality...
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Re: Is this Lilac and cream glass Loetz / Micheal Powolny Tango glass please?
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2012, 12:33:55 PM »
Kralik quality ranges from ropey to excellent; look at my green thing with the blue top next weekend and you will see ropey. These are nicely made if not excellent

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Re: Is this Lilac and cream glass Loetz / Micheal Powolny Tango glass please?
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2012, 12:37:53 PM »
oh ok.  It's just that on Dirk's photos from the tango exhibition there was a plaque with an explanation and some makers named with associated alphabetical links next to their names (A, B, C) and in the display cases there are vases with a small cube with an alphabetical letter on them - in the instance we are discussing, these vases appear to be on a shelf with the cube letter A.  On the plaque, which I think is associated with these display case( but I could be wrong, it might only relate tot eh one it is actually set on), the letter A appears to refer to Franz Welz
https://picasaweb.google.com/108140812446658939096/CzechTrip?authkey=Gv1sRgCNz6s9vqyMSeRQ#5643730403057826338

Sue, I have one of these in red with uranium trail and prunts and the quality is very high on mine to be honest.
Christine our posts crossed - I too would say excellent quality - I've also owned one of the ribbed Jester vases and the quality on that was aahemm, ropey yes.

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