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Offline incazzatonero

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Chips and (star) fish! Old french all over the world?
« on: November 04, 2012, 10:38:41 PM »
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Has anybody on the GMB a Paperweight with "starfish canes"?  ???
If yes, please send pictures to the board!
Are that kind of canes french or bohemian?
Are there only no more then ten paperweights in the collections all over the world?
I cant believe it!
Please look at:
ebay #380503060037
or
http://www.ebay.de/itm/380503060037?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D380503060037%26_rdc%3D1
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Re: Chips and (star) fish! Old french all over the world?
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2012, 08:51:36 AM »
Hi Lothar.

You will note that the seller refers to my article on these paperweights in the 2006 PCC Newsletter. I have six from this factory, and have seen images of another 3 or 4. The designs include concentrics, scrambles, a harlequin, and sodden snow and colour grounds. Most of them are untidy - for example the eBay one. The weights are relatively large (65mm - 80 mm diameter).  So there are very few around, but I suspect there are more that are - as yet - unidentifed.  I have attached images of three.

I am still trying to find out where they were made, and when. Of the small number known, about half have turned up in the UK, the others in Germany and France. A very poor blue ground went through Boisgirard with the attribution 'Clichy Apert Frères' : I asked why, and what evidence was there for this - and got no reply.  There is an ice pick flower known with Apert Frères on it, advertising their factory - but I don't think there is any evidence to link them with these 'starfish' paperweights.

My feeling is that these are probably French or Belgian, and maybe made after the classic French weights, which they were trying to copy, with limited success.

Alan
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Re: Chips and (star) fish! Old french all over the world?
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2012, 09:14:17 AM »
Many thanks Alan.
A Lot of in formations.
Very kind of you!


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Re: Chips and (star) fish! Old french all over the world?
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2012, 04:29:44 AM »
Interesting group of paperweights.  Some similarity to the knob below that I had attributed to St. Mande.  Alan, what do you think.

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Re: Chips and (star) fish! Old french all over the world?
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2012, 09:45:36 AM »
Hi Allan

Interesting question – I think they are similar, but not from the same source. I am currently working on an article about these starfish canes, and a possible link to some doorknobs, and maybe to the Chênée factory. I don’t mind sharing my thoughts on this forum.

The first image below shows examples of the ‘starfish’ canes and the ‘concentric square tube’ canes typical of this group of weights.

The second image shows two canes from the sodden snow weight in my earlier post, together with the central cane from a doorknob I used to own. These are very similar, and I think they are from the same source: that does not necessarily mean that the items themselves are from the same factory (but they may well be).  These doorknobs have had various attributions over the years – Clichy at one time, also Saint-Louis and Saint Mandé, as well as Pairpoint even.  Given that some fittings are marked ‘brevet’, which is French for ‘patent’, I think that the fittings at least are from a Francophone country – probably France or Belgium.

The third image shows a close-up of the doorknob. What particularly  intrigue me are  the outer canes, which are similar to those in some Chênée pieces – and Chênée also used square tube canes. So maybe there is a link?

Alan
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Re: Chips and (star) fish! Old french all over the world?
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2012, 05:57:12 PM »
Hi all,

I think, I've a weight like these, with "starfish" and "concentric square tube" canes.

It has 70mm diameter.

Best regards.

Marc.


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Re: Chips and (star) fish! Old french all over the world?
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2012, 09:24:56 AM »
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Hi Marc.  I agree - yours is from the same maker.

Here are images of two more I own. The first one is a large concentric ( 3 1/2 inch / 90 mm diameter) that is very similar to the one in the second image I posted; the second is a 1 + 6 bubble harlequin with a scramble ground ( 3 inch / 74 mm diameter), that contains some small pieces of aventurine.

Alan

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Re: Chips and (star) fish! Old french all over the world?
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2012, 05:09:13 PM »
Hello,
When I saw this post I was reminded of a weight I had purchased in 1993 and has been in my unknown/mystery folder waiting an ID as to maker.  Alan's photos show canes, size and shape identical to my weight.  The center cane close up photo shows the star fish cane.
Ron

http://www.rstreasures.com/UNK%20Concentric/DSCN1552a.jpg
http://www.rstreasures.com/UNK%20Concentric/DSCN1553a.jpg
http://www.rstreasures.com/UNK%20Concentric/DSCN1557a.jpg
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