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Offline stew2u2

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glass decanter / jug age help please
« on: November 07, 2012, 02:22:51 AM »
tried to age this decanter myself any help  would be greatful. i think it might by victorian about 1880 ish. stands about 18cm high
think it might be a water jug as it wouldnt hold much wine or spirit. i think the crest on the front might be an Earl or a Barrons crest. it has a ground pontil. could it be from a household and not the main glass used think it would be more decorated if used by an earl.
im probably totally wrong
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Re: glass decanter / jug age help please
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2012, 03:06:06 PM »
In view of handle I'd suggest technically not a decanter (although you can get decanters with handles)  -  there doesn't appear to be any evidence of abrasion that occurs within the neck where a stopper would sit, so most likely a water jug or wine carafe.     I think this style of crest is called 'demi-rampant' - this one looks a little like a griffin, possibly? - something similar, but with lions, forms the mark for Greener and Davidson pressed glass.          This one is wheel engraved and looks as though it's rising from a coronet maybe - looks good quality, and quite adequate for nobility ;)    I'm not sure about who is entitled to wear what - is it a Baronet that may wear a coronet?
It may well be c. 1880 - difficult to say looking only at the screen  -  you don't give any indication of wear, which of often a good indicator.
Either side of the main frosted band, and the central crest, there is a continuous chain of wheel engraved small ovals - a style of decoration which goes back to the late C18, but am sure was also used during the Regency and early Victorian periods - so much was copied - and the handle looks more late Victorian than earlier.          No motto either, so no help there, but would look good on the table and might impress guests ;D 


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Re: glass decanter / jug age help please
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2012, 05:31:58 PM »
Neither coronet or griffin are particularly English. More French/Spanish. Fairly well executed so the crest should be traceable... Note tail, fore-claws, beak etc. On coronet decoration close to the that for Marquess or Marquis in Spanish/Italian style.
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Re: glass decanter / jug age help please
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2012, 06:31:16 PM »
Hi ,
   This form of coronet is frequently found on continental European wheel engraved glasses  from Holland ,Germany, Bohemia and Scandinavia , many can be seen in the Rijksmuseum catalogues, yes Paul another publication for you but a wonderful 2 volume set, unfortunately pretty costly.

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Re: glass decanter / jug age help please
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2012, 07:40:21 PM »
since I now try to restrict my collecting to British only, I think I can sleep at night Peter even if I don't have the Rijksmuseum catalogues ;D - only the one book this week, so far, that I didn't have and need. ;)
This looks quality wheel engraving, of which I'm a big fan, so perhaps I too would  have succumbed and bought this piece. 


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Re: glass decanter / jug age help please
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2012, 08:24:30 PM »
Intriguing I eliminated all of those countries except Scandinavia on the coronet Peter, but eliminated Scandinavia on the griffin... sounds like useful books though.
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Re: glass decanter / jug age help please
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2012, 08:35:37 PM »
  " since I now try to restrict my collecting to British only, I think I can sleep at night Peter even if I don't have the Rijksmuseum catalogues "

  They are crammed full of wonderful British glasses too !!

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Re: glass decanter / jug age help please
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2012, 11:56:44 PM »
Thanks everyone for looking and for all the info
 i have been trying to find the crest all day i have found it on a few web sites but they say it is unidentified.http://armorial.library.utoronto.ca/stamps/ZZZ113_s1
photos of the base (what i should have done in the first place being a regular visitor) has quite a few age marks on the base
one thing i have noticed is the handle looks hollow whether that matters for ageing it. is it true that the ground base makes this made after 1800
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Re: glass decanter / jug age help please
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2012, 07:01:10 AM »
I can't help with your decanter but the base doesn't look like a 'ground base' to me.  It looks as though it has a polished pontil mark?
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Re: glass decanter / jug age help please
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2012, 01:46:36 PM »
I can't help with your decanter but the base doesn't look like a 'ground base' to me.  It looks as though it has a polished pontil mark?
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  thanks for looking. i dont really know what the difference as my glass experience is limited. i thought the pontil was ground down leaving a concave dip in the glass like people say with whitefriars glass to my untrained eye i dont know the difference, and can that change the date of a piece.
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