Author Topic: Gigantic 13"x 9" enamel jug, insects, snakes, drip trail rim. ID = Harrach  (Read 8609 times)

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Re: Gigantic 13"x 9" enamel jug, insects, applied gilded snakes, drip trail rim
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2012, 04:17:46 PM »
Thanks Christine - I didn't have a clue what that meant to be honest  :)  I was a little confused by it.  They also said it seems to have been made pre-1930 - I think it possibly dates a good 40 years earlier than that.

I've just started trying to read up on it the gilt enamel on sodium glass  :-\

For comparison, this jug on this link has an insect on and was confirmed as Moser by them http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,20769.msg117487.html#msg117487

Sue thanks :) and thank you for checking those out, that's really helpful to be reassured about the quality.  Yes the 'incalmo' neck bit - it's a little strange in that it isn't entirely smooth like you might find with say a funky modern incalmo cylinder type vase , you can feel an indent on both the inside and the outside right round the ring where the blue has been sat on top of the clear glass - I can't think that was easy to do.  The piece is huge as well, so it's amazing it survived the annealing process isn't it?  or is it?

The more I think about all the bits that went into making this jug, the more I think it must have been vastly expensive to produce.
OH maintains it speaks French to him. And it does have that look, it's terribly 'pretty'.  But I'm still favouring Bohemian and probably Harrach for various reasons at the mo.  I wondered about Muhlhaus for the enamelling - I think I found something on here - I'll try and find it again to link it.
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Re: Gigantic 13"x 9" enamel jug, insects, applied gilded snakes, drip trail rim
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2012, 05:08:27 PM »
 8)
The Carltonware "New Flies" is pre-1927 and underglaze painted; the paintresses were actually sometimes swapped over between both Wedgwood and Carltonware - they were the top quality paintresses at the time - at least in ceramics in the uk and specialising in underglaze painting.
That's the only thing I have to compare it to and the only thing I can actually comment on!
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Re: Gigantic 13"x 9" enamel jug, insects, applied gilded snakes, drip trail rim
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2012, 05:10:31 PM »
Thank you Sue
I'm going to look  them up now:)
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Re: Gigantic 13"x 9" enamel jug, insects, applied gilded snakes, drip trail rim
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2012, 05:24:09 PM »
I can't comment on the quality of the work of named painters working at places such as Worcester - the ones you see being raved over on Antiques Roadshow - all those (bo-o-oring) country scenes with sheep etc. (can't stand them.)
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Re: Gigantic 13"x 9" enamel jug, insects, applied gilded snakes, drip trail rim
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2012, 05:48:04 PM »
How about Auguste Jean ?


http://pinterest.com/pin/242561129901157760/

Superb Jug  ! 

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Re: Gigantic 13"x 9" enamel jug, insects, applied gilded snakes, drip trail rim
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2012, 06:49:15 PM »
Moser have come back quickly to say that the specialist has said that kind of enamelling was done on sodium glass and that was not the kind of glass Moser ever used so not their enamelling.

Sue,  I love the Carltonware flies!  oh they are beautiful wow. Thank you for that.

Mike, I've done lots of looking at Auguste Jean - it's still in the offing for sure.  And I would just love it if I owned an AJ piece - but I've not got round to matching the enamelling as I've just been concentrating on Bohemian to start with.  Mainly because Mike Moir has a little vase on his site with snakes that are looped in a similar way that is id'd as Harrach.

BTW The problem with the pinterest one is that it doesn't say that it is signed.  It looks to be one that was on Live Auctioneers sold 2010.  It isn't signed and was attributed.  It does have a large polished pontil mark and the enamelling is quite French looking so it could be French but  I'm highly suspicious of anything id'd as Auguste Jean if it doesn't either have the applied lozenge or a signature.

  There is a piece id'd as Auguste Jean in Cappa that isn't signed and in 'The Art of French Glass' it says most of his pieces are in museums and mostly signed if I recall correctly, so not committing to 'always signed'. But I'm circumspect because I've seen many recently that have sold in previous years id'd as Auguste Jean with no signature, that look very like some Harrach pieces to me.  Likewise others that might be for example I guess Sevres or Moser perhaps.   I'm still trying to work out which ones could be AJ and which ones definitely aren't   :o
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Re: Gigantic 13"x 9" enamel jug, insects, applied gilded snakes, drip trail rim
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2012, 08:05:34 PM »
yes I've seen them both - I'm quite scared to say anything on here, but neither say they are signed Auguste Jean
one says it is signed with a J in red though admittedly and he did sign in red and I suppose the rest of it could be worn away  :-\.  The other nothing.
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Re: Gigantic 13"x 9" enamel jug, insects, applied gilded snakes, drip trail rim
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2012, 09:07:08 PM »
The first one isn't enamelled, so though it might be the same glassmaker, it isn't Auguste Jean, as he was a decorator


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Re: Gigantic 13"x 9" enamel jug, insects, applied gilded snakes, drip trail rim
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2012, 09:34:29 PM »
He worked with glass as well Christine I believe.  He made a vase called the orchid vase that doesn't have any enamelling on it I don't think.
I'll find some references.
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