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Ident Help Please
« on: November 15, 2012, 06:14:53 PM »
Hello~

I have a pair(one is broken so it's a shelf piece) of 19th Century 16'' X 7''(round) glass vases. Blue ground with a woman raised in relief(like a very large cameo).

I know next to nothing about antique artistic glass.

Let me begin by saying that until I read MOSER ARTISTIC GLASS(Baldwin) I would have had no idea about Miss Blue, the vase.  The Blue pair and additional glass pieces  belonged to my great grandmother. I hold a letter from my great grandfather on Carlsbad/ Moser stationery, dated 1889, which, unfortunately, does not speak about glass but about matters back in Chicago.

Miss Blue, the unbroken vase  has a partial label(shown) which I cannot make. Either a H, K, or R + L.[period]+whatever is missing. VERY small paper label, perhaps 1'' in length. Black ink on buff or toned paper.

Reading the Baldwin book(I do have a 29'' Moser --which I, unceremoniously, have always called The Root Beer Vase-- c. 1889, vase on a base.  Each of those two pieces carries a  label(double eagles Ludwig Moser + 613 in gilt paint, for what I suppose could be the specific decorator?).  It was The Root Beer which caused me to purchase the book. I am like Gretal in the forest following bread crumbs for Miss Blue.

I confess that now my curiosity has the better of me.

N.B. the links below take you to my own offsite website-nothing for sale there, no spam, no robot to harvest anything, no spies: nothing. I am the only one ''there''.



http://www.kiowamoon.com/silver/kgregory.jpg


http://www.kiowamoon.com/silver/kgregory2.jpg

IFF I am comprehending correctly what Baldwin wrote, then there is a possibility that the blue vase was either retailed or created and retailed by Moser. Maker of the glass, if the vase dates to c. 1889, and if Bohemian glass, could be one of many Bohemian glassworks. A puzzle.

The Blue glass vase is substantial(sandwiched?) and heavy. Round glass gilt feet.

My appraiser wrote : on blue glass etched a Victorian woman in white, abstract darker lines form patterns and flowers are found on verso.  She ID-ed it as ''Mary Gregory'' but the appraiser had a wide variety of items to consider:  no one can be an expert on everything; I've done some subsequent reading about MG works, and  I now believe that the term Mary Gregory , often, denotes a style--just as Kleenex has become a generic term for tissue products by other manufacturers.

I would appreciate any guidance anyone could lend.

Is Miss Blue Moser?
Is Miss Blue Mary Gregory?
Is miss Blue made by an unknown-and the label relates to a retailer?

Thank you for your time!
MissPrints
15 No 2012  10:10 a.m. Pacific time



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Re: Ident Help Please
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2012, 07:43:52 PM »
Welcome to the board. I think we need a picture of a whole vase, a base shot and a close-up of the woman, who is almost certainly enamelled and not etched. I'm not sure your appraiser offered anything useful, as the lines are in the glass not on it and Mary Gregory is indeed a style. The label of course could be a retail label.

It would be much more useful if you would use the attach facility for pictures please. That way they remain in the thread as a reference source.


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Re: Ident Help Please
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2012, 10:03:05 PM »
Welcome to the board. I think we need a picture of a whole vase, a base shot and a close-up of the woman, who is almost certainly enamelled and not etched. I'm not sure your appraiser offered anything useful, as the lines are in the glass not on it and Mary Gregory is indeed a style. The label of course could be a retail label.

It would be much more useful if you would use the attach facility for pictures please. That way they remain in the thread as a reference source.

Thank you for your prompt reply.  Better photos coming~ those photos were taken several months ago and exceed the site's total 125 KB size restriction, even after editing.

 In future I'll be happy to embed the photos. 

Meanwhile, I'll take additional photos.
BEST!

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Re: Ident Help Please
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2012, 12:17:15 AM »
Okay~ my photos continue to be too large. I surrender to the inevitable and am not trying to be recalcitrant(I don't want to wear out my welcome).

Until I can successfully downsize my photos to fit the forum, I'm stuck. I shoot at 2M which is significantly lower resolution than for listing photos, and I downsized them -- but! they are still too large, as the Forum software advised just before it refused my attachments and almost blew a fuse.

One photo is included of the damaged area of the damaged vase since it, likely, holds the clue to whatever the ''white'' is.  Enamel? Paint? Snow?

http://www.kiowamoon.com/silver/kbluelady22.jpg

http://www.kiowamoon.com/silver/kbluelady23.jpg


http://www.kiowamoon.com/silver/kbluelady24.jpg

http://www.kiowamoon.com/silver/kbluelady25.jpg

Thank you,

MissPrints




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Re: Ident Help Please
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2012, 12:31:09 AM »
Hi MissPrints and welcome to the board. I can recommend a neat online tool for getting your pics to the size needed: it took a 3Mb image down to 47kb without any problems. http://www.imageoptimizer.net/Home.aspx on the left of the page you'll see an Optimise Now panel, with a box for you to select the image you want to resize - then set the level to Normal, and the max. size to 700 in both the boxes below. Then click Optimise Now and wait a wee while (usually less than a minute) whilst the site processes your pic. Then you get a download button for the smaller file, which you can save to your computer and attach to a post here. Hope this helps. :)


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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2012, 12:50:10 AM »
Hi, I could be wrong (and may well be proved to be so :) ) but looking through Truitt's collectible Bohemian Glass 1880-1940 on page 92, there are a number of vases  that appear to be the same 'blanks' as yours i.e. what appears to be blue cased crackle glass.  They are all white enamelled with 'Mary Gregory' type scenes of children.  However the reason I stopped at that page was because above them are some cranberry vases enamelled with a 'Mary Gregory' style woman that appear to have some similarities in 'look' and style with the ladies on your vases, or at least they did to me as they caught my eye, causing me to look more closely at the make up of the blue vases below them.  The only thing I would say is that the leafy bowers on your vases seem to be gilded rather than white enamel and the decoration on the ladies vases all seems to be white enamel.

These vases were refined/decorated by, if I have understood it correctly, Muhlhaus.  The write up says 'Julius Muhlhaus' began refining glass in Novy Bor in 1867.  The firm ... Muhlhaus specialised in the decoration of high quality blanks made by the best glass makers- Harrach, Meyr's Neffe and Loetz.  In ...'  It then goes on to discuss post 1897 when he died and his son's inherited the firm.  So I guess they may have also bought blanks from Moser although I don't know enough about the history of either firm to know if that might be true.

I don't know who your blanks were made by but the book features a pair of cylinder style vases , not the same as yours in shape exactly, but similar , however they do not have the little gilded feet.  I have seen those feet I think, on Harrach vases but again I guess there may have been other makers who used that feature.
So, not very helpful probably, except to say that blanks that seem to be the same construction as your vases appear on page 92 of that book.  And I suppose what I'm saying is that there might be a possibility your vases were decorated by Muhlhaus and possibly made by Harrach.  There are three sets of vases with the internal 'crackle' in blue, the first is dated c1900 the second (cylinder pair) dated c 1895 and the last dated c1895.

Hopefully someone else will be along soon who may be able to help more conclusively :)
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Re: Ident Help Please
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2012, 01:27:11 AM »
This is a Two-For-One Thank You note:

Dear Anne~

Thank you for the optimizer~I have given it a go and shall add my work(such as it is)  to this post just to confirm that I got it right. Or, wrong. 

This is THE most delightful Forum~ the wealth of information and  the kindness of the posters sparkles as does the glass about which they are so passionate.  Absolutely TOPS! would not be an understatement

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Dear FLYING~

My Graciousness-you are my idol. The Truitt book is purchased(I only learned of it yesterday by reading Baldwin) but your information's timeliness is significant.  I am up against a deadline, found this forum in a last ditch attempt to solve Miss Blue's puzzle: I  suspected I was being worked by another~and I was. You saved me.

Mother always raved about Miss Blue(she was rawther more reserved in her enthusiasm for the cracked sister vase)~ I only wish that I could tell her now  that she was correct all along. Unfortunately, she is no longer taking phone calls since she went cloud-ward some years ago.

With a great amount of gratitude to you both,

MissPrints


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Re: Ident Help Please
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2012, 01:28:05 AM »
Eyes up:
<falls off her office chair>
Great Grief!
WE  did it!


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Re: Ident Help Please
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2012, 01:39:39 AM »
Dear Flying~ 

There are three Truitt books~ I assume you intend
COLLECTIBLE BOHEMIAN Glass 1880 - 1940.
Published 1995 ~that book has a griffin(reminds me of Whiting's Arabesque)
on the front board.  Price $47.00(USD)

Else I bot the incorrect one...which is OKAY since I can always find room for another book
on my shelf.

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MissPrints


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Re: Ident Help Please
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2012, 07:28:12 AM »
That's the one.

 

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