No-one likes general adverts, and ours hadn't been updated for ages, so we're having a clear-out and a change round to make the new ones useful to you. These new adverts bring in a small amount to help pay for the board and keep it free for you to use, so please do use them whenever you can, Let our links help you find great books on glass or a new piece for your collection. Thank you for supporting the Board.

Author Topic: Stevens and Williams 'air-trap' bowl ?  (Read 1658 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline flying free

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 12693
    • UK
Re: Stevens and Williams 'air-trap' bowl ?
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2021, 06:20:42 PM »
see also this information:
items in the Met Museum attributed as 'possibly Boston and Sandwich' but are the same I think, decor as on here and on the linked thread.
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,5410.msg396209.html#msg396209

I am pretty sure these are all Stuart.

Support the Glass Message Board by finding a book via book-seek.com


Offline flying free

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 12693
    • UK
Re: Stevens and Williams 'air-trap' bowl ?
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2021, 11:55:00 PM »
Better link to the Met Museum glass collection where there are many items in this decor attributed as possibly Boston and Sandwich.
I believe they are all Stuart.

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search#!?q=Boston%20%2526%20Sandwich%20Glass%20Company&perPage=80&offset=60&pageSize=0&sortBy=Relevance&sortOrder=asc&searchField=All


There is also a black and white picture of a bowl that is the same shape as yours but might be a different decor - it's threaded but b&W so difficult to tell whether it would be the same decor.  It's the same bowl though and I  believe they're all the Stuart decor:

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/784?searchField=All&sortBy=Relevance&ft=Boston++Sandwich+Glass+Company&offset=60&rpp=80&pos=91

All the items were gifted by the same person in 1946.

Support the Glass Message Board by finding glass through glass-seek.com


Offline cagney

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 319
    • U.S.A.
Re: Stevens and Williams 'air-trap' bowl ?
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2021, 12:42:19 AM »
  MET attributions way out of date. The specific items in question, certainly not even American.

Support the Glass Message Board by finding a book via book-seek.com


Offline flying free

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 12693
    • UK
Re: Stevens and Williams 'air-trap' bowl ?
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2021, 08:22:04 PM »
hmm, I've just come across some information on the National Glass Fairs page - fairly recent page I think.

http://www.glassfairs.co.uk/Images/News/diamond_threaded-(2).jpg

It shows a large bowl with a fluted edge in what appears to be this decor?  Is it the same as these on the thread?
The information on the Nat Glass page says, if the item shown is the same decor as these, that they are by Thomas Webb:

'Threaded Air-trap
Frequently referred to as "Jewel" ware, this type of glass is often incorrectly attributed to Stevens & Williams. Research by Dilwyn Hier has busted this myth by identifying the designs from the Thomas Webb & Sons pattern books.

The pattern number is 13655, dated 1881/2, which describes a threaded ware: "Body, flint, slightly cased in ruby, gold threads & large diamond mould.". The Webb pattern is reproduced on the website.
'

Link to National Glass Fairs page here (you may need to scroll down to see the item)
http://www.glassfairs.co.uk/news.html#stourbridge

Support the Glass Message Board by finding glass through glass-seek.com


Offline keith

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 7189
Re: Stevens and Williams 'air-trap' bowl ?
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2021, 11:06:37 PM »
Good bit of research, thanks M,  ;D ;D

Support the Glass Message Board by finding a book via book-seek.com


Offline flying free

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 12693
    • UK
Re: Stevens and Williams 'air-trap' bowl ?
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2021, 11:16:50 PM »
Well yes, but what do we think now?  Are they Stuart with the pattern numbers given by Mervyn Gulliver?  Or are they Thomas Webb?

m

Support the Glass Message Board by finding glass through glass-seek.com


Offline Ekimp

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 992
    • England
Re: Stevens and Williams 'air-trap' bowl ?
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2021, 09:14:08 AM »
I think this is the thread from Bernard C where these were first identified as Stuart http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,5410.30.html

When comparing his threaded tazza to the Stuart factory pattern book from Mervyn Gulliver he said it is ‘...not a close match, but an exact one, with descriptive text and a date’.
People say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing every day - Winnie-the-Pooh

Support the Glass Message Board by finding a book via book-seek.com


Offline flying free

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 12693
    • UK
Re: Stevens and Williams 'air-trap' bowl ?
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2021, 10:40:26 AM »
See also this thread where Bernard comments that this is a Stuart piece also, on  a flat plate with crimped rim  which looks similar (the same?) as the one I've linked to on the National Glass Fair page:


http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,50347.msg284493.html#msg284493

Support the Glass Message Board by finding glass through glass-seek.com


 

SMF spam blocked by CleanTalk
Visit the Glass Encyclopedia
link to glass encyclopedia
Visit the Online Glass Museum
link to glass museum


This website is provided by Angela Bowey, PO Box 113, Paihia 0247, New Zealand