Topic: Millville Rose pedestal paperweight

[RAY]

one i got off ebay, i'm sure it was made by Millville, it was called the Millville Rose , the rose was made by a crimp , not to sure on a date any one know? it stands just over 6" high

 

[Simone]

Funnily enough Ray, I had that one on watch, because I'd seen it before. I wasn't sure if it was Francis Whittemore or Millville.

I can't help you with the date though.

[RAY]

Francis Whittemore usually sign's his piece's, thats why i think Millville

[m1asmithw8s]

Hello,

I have approximately 200 crimp rose weights in my collection including several original Millville roses & several Murano copies.
The crimp, those leaves, and the workmanship, are all Unmistakably Murano.
Gay Taylor, curator of the Wheaton Village Museum of Glass located in Millville, New Jersey, has recounted that Arthur Gorham, for whom the Wheaton Village paperweight shop in Millville is now named, had Murano artisans make copies of Millville designs in the 1960s & 1970s.
He did this to have product to sell.
There was no intent to deceive.
However nowadays, the Murano copies are often mistaken for the real thing.
 Here's a pic of one of my Murano copies that is similar to your weight:

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=66&pos=20

Now here is a pic of an Actual Millville baluster stem & footed crimp rose attributed to Ralph Barber. Precious few were actually made:

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=66&pos=21

[m1asmithw8s]

As crimp rose weights are my first love and because I've shared some info on the subject on this board, I thought it might be good to also share some quality sources of information on the subject:

Edward Minns wrote 2 fine articles on Millville roses and other weights made by workers Whital Tatum circa the turn of the 20th century in Millville, NJ. These articles appeared in 2 issues of  American Collector magazine in 1938, much of which was reprised in early Annual Bulletins of the Paperweight Collectors Association.
These can sometimes be found on ebay.

Paul Holister expounded upon the subject too in his book Encyclopedia of Glass Paperweights, published in 1969.

Another good source of information on Millville roses and other Millville weights is Clarence Newell's book Old Glass Paperweights of Southern New Jersey which was published in 1989.
The above 2 books can often be found on ebay.

Also, Gay Lecleire Taylor, curator of The Wheaon Village Museum of Glass, located in Millville, NJ, can be contacted there with questions and requests for information. She has made a close study of original Millville roses.

I myself wrote an article on crimp rose paperweights, Millville & others,  in the year 2000 issue of the PCA Annual Bulletin.

So there are some good sources for you all and I hope my contributions to this board are helpful.  

[RAY]

thanks for that Mark, whats the pontil finished like on the murano one's?

[m1asmithw8s]

The pontil areas are invariably flat, smooth & polished on the great majority of Murano Millville rose copies that I have seen and I have seen many.
However, there is the occasional example that shows remnants on a pontil break. More unusual still is the example with a pronounce pontil break or mark.

[m1asmithw8s]

I should add too that I have seen many footed Millville roses and most show a clear pontil break. The bottom of the foot on Millville examples are concave, not flat.

[RAY]

the one on mine has a hollow ground and polished pontil

[m1asmithw8s]

A nicer ground, in my opinion, and I wish they did that with their grounds more often. As I said, they occasionally do that & Murano attribution is still positive.
Here a pic of another Murano baluster stem & footed rose from my collection. Though the rose is yellow it was made with  the same crimp. This one has the same green leaf treatment as your does and the stem & foot treatment are the same as well.
I don't have pics available at this time as they are packed away but I also have a Murano ruby rose & a Murano shaded pink rose, both of them also like yours and made with the same crimp.
I might add that all the examples I have seen are in the range of 5.5'' to 6.5'' tall & around 3.5'' or so diameter.:

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=66&pos=21