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Offline Leni

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Re: Ident Help, Please : Glass Thorn Double Vase
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2012, 11:30:34 AM »
Leni — I am very surprised by this comment, misquoting both me and Ivo.   I expected better.   Please never misquote or reinterpret what I have said on the GMB.   You are welcome to disagree, request further evidence, ignore my contributions, or anything else, but, please, never misquote me.
Bernard, I apologise if my wording led you to believe I was "misquoting" both you and Ivo. I suppose technically I was, in that what I should have said was, "I have to agree with Ivo, Christine and Bernard that, while most are probably English, and IMHO possibly Stourbridge, it is not possible to say for certain by whom they were made."   

However, I have to say - again just IMHO - you are a grumpy old pedant! 

Have a nice day!  Goodbye.
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Re: Ident Help, Please : Glass Thorn Double Vase
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2012, 11:38:59 AM »
For the "Triffid" collectors  ;D here's an extract from the J. Stolle Niemen 1926 catalogue (Poland).

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Re: Ident Help, Please : Glass Thorn Double Vase
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2012, 10:44:55 PM »
Bernard C~

No offence intended and none taken.


You wrote:    John Walsh Walsh was the name of the glassworks, not an artist! 

Ah. I did wonder wonder.  Thank you. 

You wrote;  I didn't say Walsh was a strong possibility — I said that Walsh made your thorn vase.   Please do not misquote me.   You are welcome to disagree or anything else, but please don't misquote me.


A misquotation was strictly unintentional—actually, one more of misapprehension. Let me explain~

You wrote: >>Most were made by John Walsh Walsh, but a few may have been made by others as I have never found a patent or design registration specifically for the thorn element of thorn vases.   


When I read the words ''most''  + ''a few may have been made by others''  then my ultraconservative tendency was not to definitively state it was a John Walsh Walsh factory product. That hesitancy is the little accountant in me. Now, I understand what you intended. 


You wrote: >>With the eclectic three-section foot, with each section split, opened out and passed over a stem, however rudimentary, and the three sections squashed together, they are always Walsh in my opinion and experience.


When I read your detailed description  I didn't believe that my base was a match, other than to qualify as rudimentary[ Rudimentary, here: basic execution; good but not great, etc.].   

Also, your  ''three-section foot'' was a design feature that I do not see.  If there is something  I am missing(I won't be surprised)  please Fire! Away. I have broad shoulders--in every sense of the term.

I've attached new photos.

The areas between the root branches are smooth: no twists.

The root ends do not appear to square with your ''passed over a stem''. ''  Individual roots only.

Based on that,  I concluded that this vase may have been made
by your ''others''. Ergo, I wrote ''Likely made by''.  <--Noted and Corrected.

The root ends seem to be smushed (not a technical term but handy) inward -- from the tips toward the base or pulled and tweaked(?)   I see as Six (6)  roots rather than three pairs.  Together they form, in essence, a star or splayed platform/base. Yes? No?

I have tried to imagine how the base WAS created--the double vases were added atop the roots?  I've stared at the vase until my eyes crossed but I cannot imagine the procedure. 

Thank you for the colouration correction:  a proper description would read "canary and blue opalescent".


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Marney


 


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Re: Ident Help, Please : Glass Thorn Double Vase
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2012, 07:49:48 AM »
The six feet is fairly standard on these things. Yours may be Walsh, but my four "British" thorn vases do not seem to match a known (IMHO) Walsh piece in shade of foot glass (the Walsh is paler than all despite being thicker) and only two match in terms of foot twist; one being way different. I would hesitate to ascribe them all to any one maker

Walsh footed posy
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1498

Most similar foot
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1130

Vaguely similar foot
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1126

Very different
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1035


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Re: Ident Help, Please : Glass Thorn Double Vase
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2012, 12:29:31 AM »
Thank you, Lustrousstone, for the photos of those lovely pieces.









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Re: Ident Help, Please : Glass Thorn Double Vase
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2012, 11:42:45 AM »
 :-[ A HUGE thank-you to Glen for posting the image of the curly bottomed J. Stolle Niemen 1926 catalogue (Poland) image.
This is interesting and very useful - thank-you Glen! :-*
Cheers, Sue (M)

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Re: Ident Help, Please : Glass Thorn Double Vase
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2012, 01:51:45 PM »
Thank you, Sue. Thank you so much.

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Re: Ident Help, Please : Glass Thorn Double Vase
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2012, 03:10:21 PM »
Glen, I think I had something similar in shape a while ago but not in opalescent.  Do you know what decor the Stolle Nieman vase comes in please?  and thanks yes :) for posting it. 
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Re: Ident Help, Please : Glass Thorn Double Vase
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2012, 06:18:37 PM »
Glen, I think I had something similar in shape a while ago but not in opalescent.  Do you know what decor the Stolle Nieman vase comes in please?  and thanks yes :) for posting it. 
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I wish I had more info to assist you with, but the extract that I posted is all I have at the moment. It intrigued me when I saw it in the catalogue and I wanted to share it in case it helped anyone. If I can find out any more I will share it right away.
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Re: Ident Help, Please : Glass Thorn Double Vase
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2012, 07:16:17 PM »
It's a really solid and interesting and relevant bit of information for anybody who is interested in this kind of glass, Glen.
Assumptions have always generally been English of some sort - to know for sure that they were made in Poland, and who by and when, is just fascinating - and is information we must keep in mind at all times.  8)
Cheers, Sue (M)

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