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Re: Engraved wine glass.
« Reply #80 on: October 28, 2015, 08:11:21 PM »
Ivo's post as far as I read it says the inscription on the glass says

'Amongst all of these, this one pleased me'

So the inscription could either mean , I chose this glass because I liked the glass (in the days where I guess not everyone could afford glasses to drink from?)
So a bit of 'advertising' for the glassmaker or the engraver  perhaps?  Perhaps they were in competition for selling their wares with other makers/engravers?

or it could be a reference to the engraved picture on the glass - in which case, as you were ... i.e. is it a love token glass or is it a religious (calvanism perhaps?) connotation or reference glass.
I suppose we also have to remember that the 'icons' on the glass may have been seen in other places (pamphlets, books, paintings etc) and just used because they fit a purpose (I want to engrave a heart, ooh that one looks pretty, I'll use that style type thing). 
Or they could be oblique references to Calvanism.

Which is why I though it might be good to see if there were others out there with similar inscriptions but different pictures.
Certainly the 18th century milchglas flasks did have pictures depicting love or marriage type thing on them.  So the idea was established.

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Re: Engraved wine glass.
« Reply #81 on: October 28, 2015, 08:56:47 PM »
"Among all of these,this one pleased me",has a haughty tone don't it...

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Re: Engraved wine glass.
« Reply #82 on: October 28, 2015, 10:08:00 PM »
Could be a quote, perhaps Goethe or the bible?

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Re: Engraved wine glass.
« Reply #83 on: October 28, 2015, 10:47:43 PM »
It could as Ivo says, be a quote though.

Re it sounding haughty.  In this day and age it does sound a bit patronising (regardless of whether from a man to a woman or vice versa), or a bit as though the giver is in 'control' of the situation as they seem to be doing the picking of the other person.
However, it might just be that was the societal norms of the time - and the boy picked the girl and this was his way of demonstrating that he felt she was the one.  It could be seen as quite sweet really.  Or it could be more sinister as you've touched on  with haughty - i.e. the woman didn't have a choice and was 'selected' and had to do as she was told.  And that was the case in certain circles regarding arranged marriages.  Probably widespread regardless of class I would think.

But it was likely 200 plus years ago so we need to think of being in that time and why these things were made and given, rather than thinking about how they would be perceived in the here and now. (and thank goodness we've moved on from two hundred years ago is all I'll say  ;D - I'm pretty outspoken and I don't think I'd have survived well living in those times).

Anyway, perhaps we can find some more inscribed glasses that have a similar theme but not the arm.  That might help distinguish whether it was trending as a love token at the time, or whether they were made to denote allegiance to Calvanism. 


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Re: Engraved wine glass.
« Reply #84 on: March 23, 2016, 03:28:59 PM »
https://www.bukowskis.com/en/auctions/565/628-an-engraved-wine-goblet-england-early-19th-century

This one has what looks to me like a man's arm and hand (larger) holding a woman's arm and hand.  With the word 'insebarable' (sic).
No sign of flaming hearts that I can see.

Apparently English early 19th.  I'm not sure I like them at all.  This one looks like they are holding hands above two boxes. They are a bit creepy.
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Re: Engraved wine glass.
« Reply #85 on: March 23, 2016, 06:03:06 PM »
I'm no expert by a long chalk but I wonder if this is bohemian again,Antwerp??...a different age when young lovers could get captured by such sentiment maybe,not like us hard bitten lot,lol.

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Re: Engraved wine glass.
« Reply #86 on: March 24, 2016, 07:44:40 PM »
Bat20 - not sure which glass we are now talking about!

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Re: Engraved wine glass.
« Reply #87 on: March 24, 2016, 10:18:07 PM »
Hi Antwerp,hope all is well,m's post 84.

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Re: Engraved wine glass.
« Reply #88 on: March 24, 2016, 11:39:15 PM »
Hi all,
a fascinating thread. If the translation Ivo provided may refer to the engraving (as he suggests) then a meaning of, "amongst all these (hearts) this alone pleases me," ("this" being the heart held up in the engraving) seems extremely likely. I may have missed this being clearly explained earlier in the thread, it seems most plausable to me as an explanation, for the piece, as a sweetheart gesture. Is this what you were implying Ivo?  A really interesting GMB discussion, whatever its course!

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