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Question re wording "of Lalique design"

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Paul S.:
it's one thing for the bright among us to offer words of wisdom and clarity on the legality of meanings and descriptions - and probably most people who frequent the GMB are wise enough to not fall foul of dubious descriptions - but that is not where the problems lay.

The 'mis-describers' of this world know that there is an almost limitless  supply of lay people out there who will fall for a less then honest description  -  people who have heard of Lalique, Tiffany, Daum, Galle etc., but are too trusting/gullible to question the semantics of an advertisment.          And so every day of the week, those same people buy from ebay or autions and come unstuck - and buyer beware comes to mind.          Famous names are used as link words to confer unwarranted value - and it works - too many folk don't take the time and trouble to learn about their subject and to simply be on their guard when reading descriptions.
I'm sure that John is very correct with his comments about real collectors of Lalique, but they aren't the only people who buy the stuff.

At the end of the day, the law is as much to blame for this situation as anything else  -  a lack of clarity in definition.    It's also greed that hooks people - so remember, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.   

John Smith:
... What I mean is, that Lalique collectors in the main, will have access to all known patterns at their disposal. Not all R Lalique is highly priced either. Sure, certain pieces can be way above most peoples price range, but is not everything? I purchase the best that I can afford. That is all that can be expected. I don't suppose that ANY collector has an entire R Lalique collection, of say all of his Bowls, vases or his mascots for example. We tend to live with a piece and then pass it on to enable us to live with another, and unless I am lucky at a fair or whatever, I only ever purchase from a reliable source, many of which are out there! It is true also, that when we collect within our means or our chosen area, we also build up a very good working knowledge about it. I for example, would not be able to identify different Carnival glass makers or patterns, whereas a collector of such glass has a better chance... Perhaps as to why these pages exist. We are drawn to them to learn from the knowledge of others within their own chosen are of collecting, whilst we also try to help them.         

flying free:
John I agree with what you are saying.  Paul I also agree with you.  I think the main problem for me is that if one was looking to collect, and had a reasonable amount of money at disposal, then it is entirely possible that an unsuspecting buyer would be duped - and that is not acceptable for any money never mind big money. 
Personally if I was 'duped' to the tune of up to 50.00 say, it would not be a HUGE disaster and if I subsequently found out I had been, I would take it as a lesson learnt, but...being duped of parting with anything above that would be not only a disaster but really make me feel I had been truly conned.  I would be livid.

John Smith:
You are absolute right, ANYBODY that is duped, no matter the cost, should take issue with the seller. Even for 1. I have and I do! However, surely if one is spending many hundreds of pounds, then they owe it themself to research the piece first. There are sellers who act in the best of good faith. Listing Loetz for example, thinking that it is and without trying to dupe. It is times such as these that we must carry some of the blame, if we buy something only to find out a few weeks later that its not what "we thought."  After all, what was it which drew us to the piece in the first place? Surely we do not collect just for price! It is no different perhaps than purchasing a car... We look into it first before handing over the cash. "Try before you buy." I think also that an online facility begining with e, ending in y, has a lot to answer for. If a seller has purposely wrongly listed a piece, it AND THEY should be removed. No if's or but's. There is currently a R Lalique mascot, $20,000 USD. It is genuine and there are many offers being made. ALL of them by collectors. Then again, there are items listed by R Lalique with a starting bid of 99p. These shall not usually sell, because they are not genuine and most will know that.  I forget now who said it here, but it is very very true: IF IT LOOKS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE< THEN IT PROBABLY IS.... Wise words indeed. I am not here to brag, but I have many R Lalique mascots for example. Not one have I purchased without looking at first, in the flesh. I'd only have myself to blame if I did and I am most certainly not having such a piece sent thrrough the post, in a box wrapped by someone unkown to me. I had a Galle vase arrive once, wrapped in no more than a sheet of newspaper... It is now a Galle Jig-Saw puzzle, back in the hands of the idiot who mailed it to me. What a waste of our history, let alone money. 


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