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Sid:

--- Quote from: Paul S. on December 16, 2012, 03:37:07 PM ---What might be the reason for the diamond lozenge being shown against this particular pattern/design - although obviously I'm aware that lozenges are shown against others in the catalogue.

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Paul

The lozenge is Sowerby's method of indicating that the pattern was registered and also provides the date of registration.  Pattern number 1074 is consistent with an 1875 registration date.

We will never be certain whether the appearance of this item in the 1895 pattern book means that it was still being made 20 years after its introduction or whether the firm was selling stock made years earlier.  I lean to the latter.

Sid

Paul S.:
hello Sid  -  I'm conversant generally with the meaning and reasons of the lozenge, having spent many hours with a magnifying glass and lumps of blue tack and carbon paper trying to decypher the individual digits etc. :)          I understand you to be saying that it is only those items that are accompanied, in the catalogue, by a lozenge, that were in fact actually registered by Sowerby with the British Board of Trade.       Put round the other way, all those items in the catalogue, not accompanied by a lozenge, will not have been registered offcially, and can be located in factory records only  -  a big setback given that factory catalogues from the C19 or early C20 are sometimes missing.
This situation can sometime provide disappointment for the researcher - who naturally would have wished that all factories had officially registered every design/pattern they produced ;D

thanks for your help.

agincourt17:
The Thistlewood Sowerby CD-ROM pattern book XI (1885) shows pattern 1088 in the following shapes with the same features of stipple frosting and raised flower motif to the sides, but sometimes the stippling is in panels (as the custard cups) and sometimes stippled overall (no panels); sometimes the top rims are plain, sometimes beaded, and sometimes reeded; all are shown with lozenges against the illustrations:

Page 5      butter dish        no panels
Page 14    custards        panels      plain top rim
Page 57    covered sugar     no panels   reeded top rim

I also have a creamer/jug and a pedestal sugar bowl (photos below) in the same pattern (both with lozenge for 1 January 1875 – parcel 2, corresponding to RD 288210), neither of which seem to be illustrated in the 1885 catalogue.

Neither Thompson nor Cottle has a design description for RD 288210, but it must surely have been for the decoration rather than the shape.

Sowerby patterns 1074/1074½/1074¾  appear in pattern book XI (1885) always with stippled sides (sometimes in panels and sometimes not), with varying top rims or decoration, and mostly (though not always) with a lozenge.

Page 11   butter middle   panels      beaded top rim   lozenge
Page 11   biscuit (small)   no panels           reeded top rim      lozenge
Page 11   biscuit (large)   panels      plain top rim      lozenge
Page 19   comport      panels      beaded top rim   lozenge
Page 26   dishes      panels      beaded top rim
Page 31   finger cups   panels      plain top rim      lozenge
Page 32   flower pot   no panels           reeded top rim      lozenge
Page 35   honey pot   no panels           reeded top rim      lozenge
Page 38   plate      no panels                             lozenge
Page 38   plate      panels      beaded decoration   lozenge
Page 57   covered sugar   panels      beaded top rim    lozenge

See photo of the 1074 comport (as on page 19). This bears the lozenge for 22 April 1874 – Parcel 8 (corresponding to RD 281933). Presumably the other 1074 pieces have the same lozenge, and so would also appear to have been to a design registered in 1874.

Only the finger cups on page 31 have the raised flower motif to the sides. I wonder if these have simply been mis-labelled in the catalogue, and should perhaps have been shown as pattern 1088 also?

agincourt17:
Photo of a tumbler with stipple frosted sides [no panels] and plain top (so some of the same features as pattern 1074),  but which bears the lozenge for 10 September 1874 (corresponding to RD 285016 - Parcel 6), shown in the registration details as a tumbler shape. I can’t find a corresponding Sowerby pattern number for it.

mhgcgolfclub:
Thanks all for all the extra information.

Roy

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