Topic: Tangerine Bricklayer - are there any fakes out there?

[jakgene]

I bought this online here in Oz recently - it arrived yesterday.
Before purchasing I checked it against the fakes information on Whitefriars.com.   It looked okay to me, so I bid on it. - also I did find an item on Whitefriars.com that stated that there were no fake tangerine bricklayers (that was as at 2009 though)

to me it feels okay - it looks okay - I have a tangerine jug and a tangerine bark vase, and had a coffin vase too until recently,  and weight, heft, clarity etc all seem okay. However the colour does seems little less vivid - certainly less vivid than the jug - see picture.

I posted positive feedback for the seller (who by the way did not use the word Whitefriars in the advert) , and today received an email from someone I don't know advising me that I had possibly bought a fake and to have it checked.  I can only assume they got my details as the buyer from the feedback I left.

Would appreciate opinions please, and does anyone know if there have now been any fake tangerine bricklayers discovered?
 It is 20 cm or approx 8 inches tall. Will also post to Whitefriars.com but can only upload one photo there - hence why my query  is here!
I probably  have no comeback against the seller anyway - but would appreciate your comments - Emmi in particular if you are out there!
regards
JAK
West Oz

[Lustrousstone]

"Drunken bricklayers" in a wide range of colours are everywhere here; I suspect you bought a dud

[chriscooper]

Hi Jak, pretty sure it's a copy if you look at the genuine one in this link and look at the top four left indentations the right hand two of the indentations almost touch each other. There are more than one type of copy the one in the black and white talc photos  on Whitefriars.com is an Horncastle studios one which as five indentations in the top rather like a five spot on a dice which differs from yours.
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AMETHYST-DRUNKEN-BRICKLAYER-ART-GLASS-VASE-/261141542059?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item3ccd3fb4ab
Which may have confused you. So unless Whitefriars changed the mould at sometime and used more than one which I am pretty sure they did not it's a copy I'm afraid and sell in the UK for around £20.
 I am here to be shot down and and could be completely wrong so please wait for another opinion 
Here is the genuine one....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Superb-Authentic-Whitefriars-Aubergine-Drunken-Bricklayer-Vase-/170957367900?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D4147976080488108572%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D2%26sd%3D130809127356%26
Had a look at the listing and pretty sure the seller knew what is was, just enough information to let you think you were getting a bargain with no come back on them. The thing is they are that well known a model you don't after go overboard with the description a lot just play it 'cool' and reckon not to know anything about it and hope to 'hook' bidders into thinking they are getting a bargain? I think your only redress is to get in touch with the seller point them here and hope they are fair enough to let you return it but to be honest how they have worded the listing is quite cute so really have not done a lot wrong.
If ever you have concerns in the future please feel free to ask me before you bid I promise I will not 'gazzump' you 
Chris

[kane_u_pain]

Hi Jakgene,

That was me that sent you the email. It was originally listed as Whitefriars Baxter piece and at $375 if I remember correctly. I informed the seller that it was a fake and the response I got was quite rude LOL.

24hrs later they removed the Whitefriars and the Baxter information and it still had the same price. It was the lowered to the price you paid for it. I thought the purchaser had a right to now they were being over charge on it.

When I first saw it I knew it didn't look right.

[jakgene]

Thanks to everyone for your assistance with this. Looks as I have been had!

Thanks to Kane particularly.

Kane could you please email me off board  via my link. - I don't see an email link under your name

 I would like to ask a couple of questions but not on here.

Thanks

JAK

[kane_u_pain]

I'll send you my email address via ebay 

[chriscooper]

Hi Jak, did you try appealing to their better nature first, I personally think this helps before lodging a claim.
If you click on 'view all revisions' you will see the seller altered
the listing by adding pictures/deleting the description/changing the title description and the minimum start price, obviously after Kane had been in touch?
So really they can argue they have not done a lot wrong.
Like I said they have been cute and left just enough in  the description  with Tangerine, textured, polished pontil and the word drunken bricklayer to make you think you had found a bargain. The genuine ones normally sell for around £220 over here the copies have been fooling buyers for around 4 or 5 years.
Chris

[jakgene]

Hi all

I lodged a claim with Paypal re this reproduction vase - and have been asked to provide the following - extract from Paypal email
<<To continue, we need documentation supporting your claim that the item is
not authentic.
 Here’s what you need to do.
 
1. Obtain a document from an unbiased third-party, such as a dealer,
appraiser, or an organization that is qualified in the area of the item in
question (other than you). This document should contain the following:
•   Detailed description as to why the item is not authentic (i.e., how the
item differs from an authentic item, how the person evaluating the item
determined that it is not authentic, etc.).
•   If possible, the document should include a serial number and must be on
letterhead that includes the name, address, and phone number of the
authenticating party so that we can contact them directly, if necessary. >>

I am not aware of anyone here in Western Australia who could provide the authentication I need, although I will be phoning local auction houses this week once they reopen to ask . Can any of you advise where I may be able to find a third party able to provide  such information?

Any assistance appreciated.

Jackie

[chriscooper]

Hi Jak, could give Steve Rayner (Wolfie)a mail pretty sure he will be able to help?

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=profile;u=6036

[chopin-liszt]

Surely a query on the whitefriars site itself, with the several top wfs experts there responding, would do?

Or Emmi's "wannabes" blog? You don't get "more expert" than that.