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Offline Ivo

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red dimple thick as a brick
« on: December 18, 2012, 02:26:46 PM »
Here is a  thick walled 12 cm = 4.1/2"vase in opaque red with dark streaks.

The curious thing is that I have an identical one in bottle green, same dimples. same pontil mark finish and that one is Empoli 99% certain. But I have never seen this particular brick red colour from Empoli. I also have a smaller dimpled piece in tortoise shell glass but without pontil mark - not sure what that could be. It may just be that prodding a piece on a blowpipe is a deeply satisfactory action and that the dimple stick is just a natural thing to produce.

There is some wear - but not enough to be conclusive of anything, or even indicative.

Has anyone any information about dimpled pieces like this one?
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Re: red dimple thick as a brick
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2012, 07:53:03 PM »
Thank you for your input. I found those as well but i doubt it - the colour is different, and so is the model.
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Re: red dimple thick as a brick
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2012, 11:36:41 PM »
Nothing concrete to add, but oddly I've only seen that type of ground finish  on the pontil mark, on my Prachen pieces and a couple of Chinese vases I had if I recall correctly (not accessible at the mo but will try and find pics). Is the green one the same kind of opaque glass?
Or could it be Japanese?  I seem to see a lot of Japanese glass with regular patterning, very formal like the dimples in rows if you see what I mean.  Does it have sort of swirls in the red - it's a gorgeous colour red.

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Re: red dimple thick as a brick
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2012, 08:26:29 AM »
Thank you for sending me in a different direction - it was needed.

The tumbler in the middle had been identified as Toso Bagnoli as it seems to be from the same line as the bowl. The bowl has an identical pontil mark as the red pot - or as all T. Bagnoli finishes.  But I'm not sure of the attribution any more.  It is quite possible that different glass works use the same equipment for finishing pieces. My only Prachen piece seems to have a slightly better quality pontil mark.

What really struck me now is that you say Chinese - and on that hunch I searched for Brush pot. I found it has the right dimensions, the right weight and the right colouration to be a brush pot - even if I did not see any direct relatives.  So I am quite happy to call it a Chinese or Japanese brush pot for the time being.

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Re: red dimple thick as a brick
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2012, 09:05:14 AM »
Maybe not very useful, but my 3 Prachen pieces (one Koudelka, two Hospodka vases) show the usual perfect Czech finish -- flat and polished base with bevelled edge...

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Re: red dimple thick as a brick
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2012, 10:30:05 AM »
Hi Ivo and Rocco
Been upstairs to check now and the piece I have a vaguely similar finish on the pontil mark, was the huge vase I thought was Prachen originally but we now think it's possibly Kralik - Rocco, thanks for prompting me :)
 I checked my other known Prachen vases and they both have polished pontil marks, so my memory is not good :) and I guess there must have been different finishes on Prachen bases as yours are flat polished.

But I do have a very large thickwalled pale blue Chinese vase that has that pontil mark on the base Ivo.
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Re: red dimple thick as a brick
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2012, 10:37:28 AM »
My first (and completely-stuck-in-my-head-and-cannot-see-past-it ) impression was that the overall shape was very similar to a wfs knobbly (yes, I know it's not knobbled) but similar dimensions and lumpy shape.
That sort of pontil mark is common on earlier Mdina.
It's a nice thing.  :)
Cheers, Sue (M)

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