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Offline Nick77

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Vasart or Ysart Brothers?
« on: January 04, 2013, 03:00:06 PM »
Again I cannot find an exact cane match to decide whether this is Vasart or earlier, the blue star canes appear particularly unusual as they are made up of lots of tiny pinhead canes it seems.

It may not be too obvious against my background but there is a sliight grey tinge to the glass, is this a problem with the mix ( too much manganese as causes purple or something else?)

Size is 3 1/4 x 2 1/4 inches. 81mm x 56mm

Thanks in advance
Nick


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Re: Vasart or Ysart Brothers?
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2013, 02:11:04 AM »
This weight would need to be checked with shortwave uv to tell if it is Ysart Brothers (Vasart) or Vasart Ltd.

Note that Ysart Brothers traded under the Vasart name, so "Vasart" applies to everything from 1946 through to 1964, but the company changed name in 1956 after both Salvador and Augustine Ysart had died. That is why I have always tried to maintain references to "Ysart Brothers" [with or without the "(Vasart)" ending] and "Vasart Ltd".
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Re: Vasart or Ysart Brothers?
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2013, 12:31:23 PM »
Thanks Kevin I'll get a UV lamp, is long wave ever needed too?

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Re: Vasart or Ysart Brothers?
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2013, 11:52:29 PM »
Longwave uv is very useful for Scottish weights as it is a first indicator for separating:
- Paul Ysart weights into "pre-Caithness" and "Caithness
- various millefiori weights and bottles that contain "Vasart / Ysart" and/or Strathearn canes but which are generally regarded as "unkown maker" items (probably made after 1980).
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Re: Vasart or Ysart Brothers?
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2013, 02:40:51 PM »
Under UV light it is either flourescing blue under shortwave or just reflecting the UV?
Under longwave it flouresces green. Does this seem correct?

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Re: Vasart or Ysart Brothers?
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2013, 10:13:51 PM »
For this type of weight, green under longwave and blue under shortwave = Vasart Ltd (1956 - 1964) or Strathearn (1964 - 1980).

But from the general appearance I would go for Vasart Ltd rather than Strathearn.
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Re: Vasart or Ysart Brothers?
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2013, 11:24:02 AM »
Many thanks
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Re: Vasart or Ysart Brothers?
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2013, 05:20:09 PM »
Having re tested in complete darkness these are the results which are identical to the pindish results. First  photo is long wave second shortwave.
Both now seem green to me.



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Re: Vasart or Ysart Brothers?
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2013, 11:51:54 PM »
Seems a bit odd to me. Perhaps it is the effect of a low voltage uv unit?

By the way, I do hope you are not allowing your skin or eyes to receive direct emssions from the shortwave bulb.
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