Topic: Ysart yes, but by Salvador?

[Nick77]

This is the first of two weights I recently acquired, labelled by the previous owner as by Salvador Ysart. I did not buy them just for this attribution as I could see no evidence as to why it would be by him.
 It has some exceptional (I think) complex canes and certainly some of the simpler canes are shown in a weight in Bob Halls book Scottish Paperweights that has a Y cane that is attributed to Salvador.
Any ideas on period and whether it could just be by Salvador?

Many thanks
Nick

[Nick77]

More canes
Nick

[tropdevin]

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I think that I bid (unsuccesfully) on this lot! I could believe it was by Salvador, but to be accurate about exactly who made a piece in the 1950s - 1960s at Vasart is probably impossible.  What you can say is that it looks similar to some pieces signed with a Y cane - which are believed to be by Salvador.

Alan

[Nick77]

Hi Alan
Sorry, I did wonder if you might be bidding against me, I really didn't believe the 2 in this lot were provable as being by Salvador certainly not the other, but this one was worth the bid I think as it is avery nice weight.


Did you buy the Paul Ysart thistle and scramble lot? I stopped as it was difficult to see how bad the bruise was without seeing it in person.

Regards
Nick

[tropdevin]

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Hi Nick

No way did I buy it! It was at my nearest auction house, only 15 minutes away, so I viewed it.  But it was already a very small weight (no more than 2 1/2 inch - the smallest thistle I have seen), and if you decided to clean up the sizeable bruise it would lose another 1/4 inch. That said, the bruise was hidden in normal viewing.  The lot sold for about twice what I thought it was worth.

Alan

[KevinH]

Attributions to Salvador Ysart of various weights have been made over many years by several eBay sellers, as well as some collectors. Of the ones that I have asked about, none have been able to say much more than a general comment along the lines "it's what I think from my own research".

I have had similar responses from people when I have asked about why they think a possible or even quite likely Salvador weight was made in the 1930s as opposed to the Ysart Brothers period.

But I understand that things may be made clearer (or not) in a few months time during a presentation that somebody is putting together.

[Nick77]

Hi Alan,
I was surprised at it's final price, I guess if someone didn't ask for a condition report and additional photos, the bruise was not visible in the stock listing image.

Kevin would you say this was Ysart Brothers period? Has the placement of a Y cane now been definately assigned to Salvador as suggested in Bob Halls book?

Nick

[KevinH]

To me, the look of your weight and the base grinding strongly suggests Ysart Brothers period.

All I can say for definite about "Y" cane weights is that I have one with a round Vasart label. Assuming the label was affixed at the time of making the weight, then that is proof of that particualr weight being made in the Ysart Brothers period.

[Nick77]

Well here's an interesting thing,
 I am just researching ID's on some other paperweights and found in Robert Halls book "World Paperweights Millefiori & Lampwork" this exact same paperweight on page 131 top left.

I doubt there were two made with this exact same layout of canes.
Described as Vasart and from a private collector.

Nick

[KevinH]

Yes Nick, that is the same weight.

The generic description "Vasart" can be found in various literature, including auction catalogues, and much of the time that could well be correct as it was the trading name for both the "Ysart Brothers" years and the later "Vasart Ltd" period.

My own attempts to distinguish between those periods, by a) overall look and feel (such as suggested by Alan's earlier comment about similar canes in "Y" weights) and b) uv testing, may simply be a complication too far.