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Offline bOBA

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stourbridge cut and cased vase and perfume
« on: January 26, 2013, 07:37:09 PM »
Hi everyone,

I photographed these curious pieces today. The pictures are not great... The glass items are only 8-10cm in height. They belonged to a relative who worked in the glass industry (mainly at Stuarts) and also taught cutting at the local college in circa 1915. I wondered if anyone on GMb would recognise this style and perhaps be able to provide more information about this kind of production. They are blue glass, case in purple, with a cream coloured kind of underlay.... to my eye they are unusual pieces but I know nothing about them really, so any information would be greatly appreciated!


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Re: stourbridge cut and cased vase and perfume
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2013, 07:52:54 PM »
Hi Robert,
the technique is called double overlay, which produces these outlined - for want of better word - cut
patterns. Apart from that I canīt be of much help Iīm afraid... I think the technique has much been used
during the 19th century in Bohemia and Bavaria also.
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Re: stourbridge cut and cased vase and perfume
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2013, 08:04:34 PM »
Robert somewhere in my books I've just been reading some interesting information on the 19thc versions of this technique as Dirk says.
I need a bit of time but will try and refind the information and post it here for you.
I think it was relevant to the technique being started in Bohemia and then being done in France and Britain.  I'll find the info and post it later.
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Re: stourbridge cut and cased vase and perfume
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2013, 08:15:10 PM »
Thank you both! I am under the impression that these pieces are very English but any information is very welcome ....
I am of course familiar with general Bohemian cased glass..... some manufacture of it did occur too in England and other places........ but glass is full of surprises and if this particular pattern rings any bells please let me know! I am quite confused by the inner glass being blue for a start, which I have not really seen..... I am also quite please not to have a thread disappear immediately, which is always a bad sign... so thanks again!


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Re: stourbridge cut and cased vase and perfume
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2013, 12:45:28 AM »
Robert my monitor is showing a reddish colour for the overlay? is it purple amethyst colour.  It' s a curious colour and it doesn't seem to be that common.
In fact it's quite hard to find any with a coloured interior either.  The only thing I've come across is a vase in CH British Glass 1800-1914 and that is a possible attribute to Saint-Louis and has a triple overlay and I think that is red on the interior, it's difficult to tell because it's a black and white pic and describes it as ruby, clear, white and blue so I'm assuming the blue is on the outer.
I have a cache-pot with a blue glass interior and I think it was attributed as Bohemian.;
Do you think your bottles are perfume bottles?  I think there is a possibility they are quite old maybe 19thc?

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Re: stourbridge cut and cased vase and perfume
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2013, 11:02:07 PM »
http://www.antiquecolouredglass.info/Scent%20Bottles.htm
there is a blue over white over red transparent glass here - you need to scroll down and it's on the right hand side, attributed as Stourbridge or Bohemian.
Still searching but not found one with similar cutting yet.
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Re: stourbridge cut and cased vase and perfume
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2013, 11:35:20 PM »
Hi M,

thank you for the reply. I appreciate that you also find it a very strange colour combination!! The colour is very odd, I think plum would be the closest I could call it. Though the banjo (excuse me perfume collectors for inappropriate terminology!) perfume has a crystal stopper, the perfume itself is the same build as the bottle-vase, blue glass, cream, plum. Sort of a reddish purple, not actually a colour I have seen before as a casing much. As you imply, perhaps this indicates something older... THe provenance is slightly cloudy in that it was in the display cabinet of a lady (whose relatives living in the same house were expert Stuart cutters in circa 1912) so I really thought a strong connection to Stourbridge. The family also have acouple of pieces of that more known cased and cut Thomas Webb type pieces. CH British Glass 1800-1914 is something I need to buy quick fast too! The owner of the website could perhaps help me, as his specialism is exactly this subject, I may contact him.... Your cache pot would be interesting to see a photo of. I imagined that the odd coloured casing and blue transparent glass inside would have made this attribution quite easy somehow... it seems I was wrong there! I also agree the style seems pre 1900.......

studying glass is endlessly interesting!! (Your cracked Harrach masterpiece recently was a great read)


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Re: stourbridge cut and cased vase and perfume
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2013, 11:42:33 PM »
blue overlay cache pot attached.
Yes the Harrach jug ... I was so happy to get an id for that :)

The  facet cut base on the pot is pale blue glass.  The clear vase was cased part way or possibly the whole way with pale blue glass, then part way possibly only with the dark blue overlay.  The facet base was cut to show pale blue, but the top two thirds are dark blue overlay cut to clear.

I think your small bottles are beautiful, but I've not found anything like them in terms of the colours  :-\

I will have another look through CH book but again I didn't spot anything along those lines.
My instinct would be to search Bohemian first.
I'll have a look tomorrow in Truitt's and see if there is any similar overlay patterns in any of the catalogue pics they show.
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Re: stourbridge cut and cased vase and perfume
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2013, 09:35:46 PM »
Robert, Ivo has given a good lead this evening - I'd not been able to find the right search words to use but Ivo suggested Borussia on something else I was looking at.
combining Borussia with Haida in searches gives some opaque overlay vases that might be interesting to investigate at least as a start :)
This one is pretty gorgeous - never seen one with yellow interior
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/2164258
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Re: stourbridge cut and cased vase and perfume
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2013, 10:04:59 PM »
Thanks for the reply M.

Oddly, I am contributing to several threads at once, that combine Czech and English glass-making activities! Your cache pot is a delight. It looks very Czech and at the same time if someone told me it was rare "such and such" English, I might believe them, if you see what I mean.... though I do think it is really likely that the piece is Bohemian. A very nice thing to have.

The liveauctioneers link is as  close as I have seen to the strange pieces in this thread. ..I will investigate Borussia with Haida..... thank you,


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