Author Topic: Ice bucket for show RD 289821  (Read 208 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline brucebanner

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 1239
    • Victorian glass
    • United Kingdom
Ice bucket for show RD 289821
« on: June 05, 2016, 10:57:23 AM »
I think this is an ice bucket and the lozenge i think reads 9th March 1875. Seago, Johnson & Co Birmingham

Nicely decorated with a silver plate handle. On the inside there is a lip and a plated lid with drain holes.

5 1/2 inches in height, 5 inches in diameter across the rim.

I can not see it listed on here or on the net.

Chris Parry


Offline Lustrousstone

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 12036
  • Gender: Female
    • Warrington, UK
    • My Gallery
Re: Ice bucket for show RD 289821
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2016, 11:10:37 AM »
Nice, in view of the fish perhaps for caviar (in a smaller container inside)


Offline Paul S.

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 6886
  • Gender: Male
Re: Ice bucket for show RD 289821
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2016, 11:53:29 AM »
very interesting.....   in view of Christine's comments I wondered if the fish was supposed to be a sturgeon, but don't think so.    Apparently you can have sturgeon in your garden pond  -  caviar on tap so to speak.

Will see if I have the National Archives original drawing - will post if I have.


Offline Paul S.

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 6886
  • Gender: Male
Re: Ice bucket for show RD 289821
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2016, 01:34:10 PM »
there seems to be some discrepancy regarding surface decoration of the lower part of the pail - no idea why - and as you'd expect the original drawing omits the metalwork - might be of interest to know the details of the stamping assuming something other than EPNS.

Wonder if the hare is of some significance - part of a coat of arms perhaps?          Weren't the Victorians big on sardines?

The engraving is good quality.                        Might this now be moved to British.


Offline brucebanner

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 1239
    • Victorian glass
    • United Kingdom
Re: Ice bucket for show RD 289821
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2016, 05:04:21 PM »
Great to see the extra info, no marks on the plating though.
Is there anything known on the maker ?.
Chris Parry


Offline agincourt17

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 1383
  • Gender: Male
    • Pressed glass 1840-1900
    • Wales
Re: Ice bucket for show RD 289821
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2016, 09:36:13 PM »
Thank you, Chris, for showing the ice pail, and Paul for the design representations from TNA.

I know of no other image(s) of RD 289281.

From:  http://www.great-glass.co.uk/glass%20notes/mans-s.htm

Quote
Seago, Johnson & Co
Birmingham (1870s)
Thomas Seago, Benjamin John Johnson, glass cutters and engravers. First at 49 Friston Street, later at 23 George Street Parade. Registered 6 designs in1874 and 1875, with a further 4 designs as Seago & Co in 1876 and 1877


Offline Paul S.

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 6886
  • Gender: Male
Re: Ice bucket for show RD 289821
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2016, 02:14:03 PM »
Fred's note detailing other Registrations from Seago, taken from the Great Glass site, has gone - presumably for obvious reasons.

Having looked through Jenny Thompson, I can see 5 designs only from 1874/75, not the 6 as mentioned on Great Glass  -  someone tell me please if I've missed one.............    I can see:-

Rd.  280660            -  23.02.1874  -  ink well
       288498/9/500  -  16.01.1875  -  butter/marmalade/marmalade
       289821            -  09.03.1875  -  the ice pail we've already discussed
       297633            -  09.01.1876  -  presently no idea what this refers to
       303996            -  02.10.1876  -  butter dish
       309484/85       -  18.04.1877  -  again, presently no idea about these two.

the above descriptions are taken directly from the original factory drawings, of which I can see nine in total for the period 1874 to 1877.


   


Offline Anne

  • GMB Tech Support Manager & "Board (never bored) Dame"
  • Global Moderator
  • Members
  • *
  • Posts: 12078
  • Gender: Female
  • I has a stick to poke the server with yes!
    • Glass trinket sets
    • Cumbria England
    • ALAVNA Vintage & Collectable Glass
Re: Ice bucket for show RD 289821
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2016, 11:11:46 PM »
Paul, I agree with you, I can only find 5 designs from 1874/5 too in Thompson.  Plus the 4 from 1876/7.  None of the Seago designs are included in the RD No. listings on the Great Glass website.

These are the other three design descriptions: [source National Archives Discovery catalogue]

Design number: 297633.
Name: Seago & Co.
Address: 23 George Street Parade Birmingham.
Description: Bottle for Liquer Cruet & other Frames.
Date:   1876 Jan 14

Design number: 309484.
Name: Seago & Co.
Address: 23 George Street Birmingham.
Description: Glass Ice Bowl.
Date:   1877 Apr 18

Design number: 309485.
Name: Seago & Co.
Address: 23 George Street Birmingham.
Description: Glass Ice Bowl.
Date:   1877 Apr 18

The catalogue gives a total of 18 results (2 per RD no.) so 9 designs for Seago. I think that the stated 6 for 1874/5 on the Great Glass site is an error, it should have said 5. 









Offline Paul S.

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 6886
  • Gender: Male
Re: Ice bucket for show RD 289821
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2016, 07:50:03 AM »
thanks Anne - good to have confirmation.                    Back when I was taking masses of pix at TNA, I tried to make some sort of personal judgment as to whether an item was of sufficient interest to warrant photographing - some items, glass chimneys for example I considered were probably not.          Unfortunately, looks as though my pruning was at times a bit too severe -  will try to get the three for which you've now added data, when I next visit.                     


 



This Website is provided by Angela Bowey, PO Box 113, Paihia 0247, New Zealand