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Offline w84it

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Is this really Old English?
« on: February 20, 2013, 07:30:24 PM »
I am rather sceptical of the Old English attribution for this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380573640562?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648


Can anyone confirm or deny?
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Re: Is this really Old English?
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2013, 09:39:12 PM »
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I am fairly sure that it is Old English, but from an unknown maker. I have had several paperweights with similar canes, and all appeared to me to be Old English - lead crystal, fairly large, 'simple' millefiori.

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Re: Is this really Old English?
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2013, 09:09:07 AM »
Thanks Alan.   

I  know little about OE weights, especially those from unknown makers.  This was a layout that I've not seen before.  I tend to expect closepacked canes.  And I had wonderered to begin with whether it was Murano.

I do find the weight attractive (but nowhere near as attractive as the Islington OE weight that sold recently for 6000 at the Knowle auction rooms!).

Thanks again

Keith
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Re: Is this really Old English?
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2013, 12:25:45 PM »

I do find the weight attractive (but nowhere near as attractive as the Islington OE weight that sold recently for 6000 at the Knowle auction rooms!).

Thanks again

Keith

The IGW weight was beautiful, I went to the auction rooms to collect some others that I won and was allowed to have a good look at it,  probably never get to handle another, if I'd had the money I would have bought it, but it's off to the USA. I had to settle for the Bacchus one.

 Apparently this was a collection put in to auction by a lady whose parents were antique dealers in the 70's and these were their personal collection but she knew absolutely nothing about them. I gather she was very pleased at the outcome.  :)

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Re: Is this really Old English?
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2013, 01:29:20 PM »
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Hi Nick.

I too had the good fortune to handle the Islington when I picked up a couple of lots from there on Monday. 

The auction house asked me to verify the Islington attribution some weeks ago, and I gave them my views on the ID of all the weights (I called the pedestal Chinese a Chinese weight - I don't know where they got 'Melville' from). And I don't recall saying that any were Bacchus - indeed, I pointed out that some were definitely not Bacchus, and that one was debatable.  Which do you consider was a Bacchus, Nick?

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Re: Is this really Old English?
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2013, 01:36:09 PM »
Hi Alan
I'll have to take some photos as I guess the links have gone from the auction site now.
It is a fairly large low dome with canes that swirl out around a centre cane. It was listed as possibly Bacchus and I have matched canes to a Bacchus weight in Robert Hall's book. The dome profile also seems to match the Bacchus weights.

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Re: Is this really Old English?
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2013, 02:08:33 PM »
Nick, the links appear to be still on the auction website.   Link for the Islington below.  I was not sure which other weight  you were referring to.

http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/knowle-auction-rooms/catalogue-id-2875917/lot-16902964?searchitem=true

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Re: Is this really Old English?
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2013, 02:12:22 PM »
Give me a few mins, I've just taken photos, I'll start a new thread to avoid confusion.

Nick

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