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Author Topic: Victorian spill vase any ideas please  (Read 339 times)

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Offline stew2u2

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Victorian spill vase any ideas please
« on: March 09, 2013, 01:29:31 PM »
Hi
i think this is victorian  mold blown green glass with applied decoration.
has anyone seen these before any info orcan send me down the right path would be great
thanks
stew
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Re: Victorian spill vase any ideas please
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2013, 02:19:15 PM »
in my opinion Stew, this too tall and narrow in the body to be a spill vase.........how about simply a stem vase of some sort, although you don't give dimensions, so difficult to assess properly.              Assume you are saying the body is decorated with machine threading??         Look carefully at the feet, do you see wear  -  and does it by any chance glow?            How is the top rim finished?

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Re: Victorian spill vase any ideas please
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2013, 03:30:47 PM »
Hi Paul thanks for looking
it is 19cm high it does not glow there is some wear on the feet and a couple of fleabites
there are two marks like you would see in pressed glass down either side but then the ridged are like a screw thread as tho it was turned.
i suppose it could be pressed glass body with machine thread ridges with applied feet and decoration stem vase
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Re: Victorian spill vase any ideas please
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2013, 04:01:35 PM »
It may be mould blown but it can't be pressed, as you couldn't get the plunger out. If the seam is not on top of the threading, then the threading was applied after

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Re: Victorian spill vase any ideas please
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2013, 04:13:35 PM »
I was just about to say mould blown - you should have either a snapped pontil scar, or a ground/polished depression, and both indicate that after blowing it was transferred to the pontil rod  -  at which point the threading would have been applied and the rim finished.         If the threading is very evenly spaced, then certainly after the invention of applying by machine (earlier methods apparently show irregularly spaced threading), and probably somewhere between 1880 and 1890, in my opinion.         The Victorians made flower vases in more shapes and designs than you can imagine.
Christine's comments become very apparent when you look at the bulbous part of the vase ;D
Anyway, a nice piece that's probably 130 years old.

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Re: Victorian spill vase any ideas please
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2013, 04:36:49 PM »
hi
there is no pontil mark as the applied feet cover the whole bottom area
the mould marks are under the threading
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Re: Victorian spill vase any ideas please
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2013, 04:41:23 PM »
Is the rim ground? In which case there will be no pontil mark, as the vase was finally cracked off the pontil iron at the top after the feet and pinched trail were applied. My guess would be Bohemian, possibly Harrach or Welz. Threading is pretty unusual on these things

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Re: Victorian spill vase any ideas please
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2013, 05:31:44 PM »
Stew my dating was based on assuming this was British, as threading was common on British material.        I seem to remember asking how the top was finished, and forgot you hadn't commented.

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Re: Victorian spill vase any ideas please
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2013, 05:35:51 PM »
Sevres or Saint Denis is another option.

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Re: Victorian spill vase any ideas please
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2013, 06:20:51 PM »
sorry Paul the top is ground flat think Christine is right about snapped off at the top but i have looked all over and the only piece of glass i can find simmilar  is a glass bellows frigger made in stourbridge but im still looking.
thanks ivo i will look into sevres and saint denis
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