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Author Topic: 18th century Milchglas schnapsflasche - my oldest piece of glass  (Read 6989 times)

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I was so happy to find this.  I've been looking for a bottle to add to my opaline collection for a long time (one that was affordable).  It's a Bohemian or German milchglas schnapsflasche, beautiful glass that glows bright orange at the smallest hint of a light source.  The pictures shown below, in my reply post, are without artificial lighting in overcast daylight with no sun.  I think it dates to mid 18th century from what I can see comparing the figure on it with others.
Enamelled all over with flowers and then with a lady on the front, there is some small loss to some of the enamel but otherwise it's perfect.  Measures just about 10cm tall.
I think dating to around 1750 it is semi translucent glass made with the addition of bone ash as an opacifier.  It is opaline glass basically. But once you get near the neck where the glass has been pulled into shape and it thins, you can see the opalescent effect between the body of the bottle and the neck.  It is a bluey grey colour with orange just when looking at it on casual inspection.  When you hold it to daylight even without sunshine or artificial lighting it immediately glows bright orange.

It is known as Milchglas - but perhaps this is the good example of 17th century ' opaline ' glass and the opalescent effect from the different rates of cooling between the thick and thin areas of glass.
I've added some comparison pictures of this and a mid 18th century opaline glass jug (French I think) to show the differences in the glass.  One of the pictures is in normal daylight on white with no artificial or sunshine.

Now all I need to add is an 1830s piece of coloured or white French opaline and my collection will be complete ;D

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Re: 18th century Milchglas schnapsflasche - my oldest piece of glass
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2013, 01:56:36 PM »
more pics

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Re: 18th century Milchglas schnapsflasche - my oldest piece of glass
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2013, 03:15:17 PM »
oops, in my post I meant to say 'perhaps this is a good example of 18th century...' not 17th! and then the white jug should read 'mid 19th century...' not mid 18th!
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Re: 18th century Milchglas schnapsflasche - my oldest piece of glass
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2013, 03:21:59 PM »
M how do you do it :o all the research , glass buying..... two kids now a puppy what the hell are you taking!!!!! and where can I get some? ;) ;D

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Re: 18th century Milchglas schnapsflasche - my oldest piece of glass
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2013, 04:17:21 PM »
 All you need now is something to drink from   ;D

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            Peter.

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Re: 18th century Milchglas schnapsflasche - my oldest piece of glass
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2013, 04:39:04 PM »
I'm with jp on this,where do you go shopping?? ;D ;D

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Re: 18th century Milchglas schnapsflasche - my oldest piece of glass
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2013, 04:56:02 PM »
Wow - well done... again.... and again... and again!  ;D
You keep on finding really great pieces.
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Re: 18th century Milchglas schnapsflasche - my oldest piece of glass
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2013, 07:45:55 PM »
Well done M  ;D

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Re: 18th century Milchglas schnapsflasche - my oldest piece of glass
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2013, 08:38:51 PM »
 thank you so much for your nice comments :)
 - it was bought online
It was just that having started the whole opaline debate, I felt that I had to try and get some examples of the different effects of 'semi-translucent' glass over a period of time so I could have a good look at them.  And it was cheaper than the train-fare for me to go up to the V&A again to have another look  :o
I'm not holding out much hope of finding an early 1800's French piece at a reasonable price though, so that might be a gap for a long time.

JP I don't have a full time job out of the house :)  so I have time to read books, which I love (I'm not a TV watcher ). And I get bored very quickly, so I need my brain to be occupied all the time.  I read a lot and have a good memory for things.
Although I'm finding the German in my new books quite hard going - google translate comes in useful only if you know they've put the sentence in the right order  ;D

Peter that's a very sweet cup - lovely glass.
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Re: 18th century Milchglas schnapsflasche - my oldest piece of glass
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2013, 10:24:30 PM »
Combined verbs in german must be a real pain for non-native speakers...  ;D
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