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Author Topic: Etruscan design 1850 ish plate with handpainted enamel -angel orange black white  (Read 3290 times)

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this piece according to the description, dates to c.1830s and is French - so a French 'Etruscan style' design piece, with orange enamel and gilding and on a 'milchglas' base glass item:
http://www.proantic.com/display.php?mode=obj&id=181053
Although there are differences on this underplate of this piece in terms of the base, I can also see similarities.

Also, athough unconnected in terms of type of glass and design, I have  found a flacon eau de Melisse which, I believe from similar items,dates to the 1820's and has similar 'gothic' design pattern on it:

http://www.anticstore.com/flacon-eau-melisse-opaline-monture-neogothique-bronze-dore-epoque-charles-x-46324P

So I suspect, from all these examples given in my last few posts,that I'm correct about my plate dating to quite a bit earlier than mid 1800s ... dates looking most likely perhaps around 1820s although it could be earlier.

re the angel - I've come across one glass (French), that has a facial depiction on it that looks so similar to the face on the angel it made me stop and look again. However, this may be an artistic 'style' rather than a similar period of course. That dates to late 18thc.
Apart from that, the only observation is the way her hair is curled back around her face and I've only seen that on Russian angels.

Caveat - this is just an update, my searches are not 'exhaustive'.  Any further information or updates welcomed :)


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This plate has enamelled people on it with similar faces and technique to my very large 'etruscan' vase - possibly from the same factory.
The base of the plate is polished shiny and it has what appears to be a polished pontil mark.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antique-French-OPALINE-Glass-Plate-Roman-Soldier-Portrait-Medallion-Art-Bohemian-/172600187357?hash=item282fc5d9dd:g:px8AAOSwuzRXeb4n

Just adding for comparison in type of finish and style of enamelled design.

It's a completely different base finish to my plate, my plate having a flat base and completely matt finish done in a similar/same way that the base of an Hyalith bowl I own.
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close up of a design painted onto a porcelain piece from Sevres of the service made for Catherine II of Russia.  It is still blurred because the image is very tiny on the piece in real life. 
This was made in 1778-79.  The lady on the left has a good similarity with the lady on my plate.  The enamel used for decorating it also has a similar look to the texture of the enamel.  I wonder if they used similar stuff to enamel glass as they did soft paste porcelain which is what this is?

this is the close up of the decoration:

click here

and here is the piece:
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/a-pair-of-sevres-two-handled-bleu-celeste-6010090-details.aspx

edited to add - wow, I've just seen what price that set went for.  Oh to have one squirreled away somewhere  ;D


link to closeup of my plate
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=52048.0;attach=127867;image

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A Russian vase with an angel
https://www.tretyakovgallerymagazine.com/articles/2-2016-51/english-pottery-russia-18th-and-19th-centuries
'Vase with Heraldic Badge of the Prince of Wales
Sergei Poskochin factory, Morye Village, St. Petersburg Province, Russia. 1830s
Creamware. Height: 24 cm, diameter of body: 11.2 cm. Impressed mark reads
“S. Poskochin”, impressed markings read “F.P.”
Entered the State Historical Museum collection in 1922 as part of a group of privately
owned items submitted for safekeeping during World War One
(1914-1918) and never reclaimed. State Historical Museum'

http://www.tg-m.ru/img/mag/2016/2/art_51_09_01_1.jpg

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 A Milchglas plaque with an angel on it - dated c.1800/1810 Friederich Egermann Blottendorf Bei Haida.

She doesn't look like my angel.  The closest depiction I have found  to the style of painting of her face  is on a French 18th century tumbler.  But at the moment I think the type of milchglas and the base finish of the plate (beautifully ground flat like Hyalith glass pieces are) for some reason doesn't indicate French glass to me.  And perhaps the use of the angel indicates the fashion of that period so perhaps giving another date indicator for my plate.


Plakette aus Milchglas Friedrich Egermann, Blottendorf bei Haida, um 1800/1810 Ovale

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/dr-fischer/catalogue-id-fischer10005/lot-3e808577-f3eb-45e9-bad2-a44500b540ca

https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.com/f8f8009d-7767-4bfe-90c3-a44500b450fe/12ea1155-493e-4ecc-bddc-a44500b94094/original.jpg

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