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Author Topic: Walther Gibraltar or Bagley Wyndham 1333  (Read 1766 times)

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Re: Walther Gibraltar or Bagley Wyndham 1333
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2013, 05:27:42 AM »
Hi,
I have checked my Wyndham vases. Then I went to check my CD on Bagley glass, and there was ll the information, quoted here:

The three piece flower set shown above first appeared, so far as we know, in the 1933 Bagley catalogue. It was not included in the 1932 price list and the number 1333 also indicates the date of 1933. There is a very similar flower set produced by August Walther and Sohne in Germany and the picture shown in their 1934 catalogue is identical in every detail to Bagley's pattern 1333 so far as one can tell from a catalogue. We have been told that Walther also included this design in their 1930 catalogue, in which case it looks as if Bagley copied Walther, with or without their permission. There is a marginally smaller version of this design which may be the Walther version, or it may be a third version possibly made by Crown Crystal Glass in Australia.

For identification purposes, we will describe the Bagley pattern 1333 Wyndham three piece flower set in detail. Firstly, there are only two lugs for the central flower frog to sit on, not four; secondly there are 12 holes in the frog, not 10; there are 9 flutes on each side except one, 8 flutes on that one and the flutes are not evenly spaced; the height without the plinth is 6"; length 11"; width 6.2"; length of each side 6.2"; the diamond shape is slightly more elongated, less square, than the non-Bagley version. The internal angles are 123 degrees and 59 degrees approx.

I found that after I'd been out to my studio and done all the measurements on the amber version and the pink version that I have, and then found I didn't need them! I can add that the flower lugs are deeper down the vase on the pink (presumed Bagley) version. 4.5cm down from the rim as opposed to 2.5cm.  Also, I have an amber and a green version of the smaller sized 10-hole version, and they are very good quality. Hope this helps.
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Re: Walther Gibraltar or Bagley Wyndham 1333
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2013, 09:28:06 AM »
Hurrah !! The definative answer.....I have a Bagley Wyndham...2 lugs, 10 holes, 3 sides of 9 fans 0ne side of 8 and elongated shape !! ;D
Thank you Angela for clearing that up  :-* To finish it off I even found a plinth !!

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Re: Walther Gibraltar or Bagley Wyndham 1333
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2013, 09:48:37 PM »
 :-[ whoops that should have said 12 holes not 10. Got carried away in my excitement. ;)

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Re: Walther Gibraltar or Bagley Wyndham 1333
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2013, 07:43:35 PM »
Hi. I've been following this thread with interest as I bought a set this week from a charity shop. Mine has all the measurements of a Bagley vase but it has no rests inside for the flower holder. Is this normal for the Bagley ones. Its a beautiful pale blue set.   Thanks Cheryl.

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Re: Walther Gibraltar or Bagley Wyndham 1333
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2013, 06:07:55 AM »
Hi Cheryl,
I don't know because I've never seen one without lugs. However, if all the other features are right, it will probably be Bagley.
I'll keep a look out for no-lugs versions.
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