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Offline Della

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« on: April 26, 2006, 10:29:28 AM »
Hello All,

I acquired this vase yesterday. I don't know who made it. :?
It is 20cm high and weighs 1.66kg.
The base is polished flat and the same colour as the vase.
The engraving is deep, detailed and well executed.
The vase itself is not signed, but next to the engraving are 2 initials. I can make out the 2nd one, it is an M. I have done my best to take photos, but it isn't easy. :oops:

(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10026/thumb_engraved.jpg)Vase(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10026/thumb_engravedp1.jpg)Engaving(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10026/thumb_engraveds.jpg)Initials
 :shock: Click to enlarge :shock:

The initials are only 3mm in size :?

As always, very many thanks for looking :D  and any info is wecome.
(I think Simone may like the butterflies :wink: )
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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2006, 11:07:50 AM »
The photo of the initials is really clear, I think you have done really well!
That said though they are really hard to make out. I agree the second does look like an 'm' The first could be either a 'j' or an 'f' I think.
I know this doesn't help much to i.d. it though!
Does the glass have a lead content?
It does look like some Kosta pieces I have seen. but any marks I have seen on them are usually on the bottom.
Lou*
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2006, 11:28:26 AM »
Hi Lou,

Thank you. :) Any thoughts are helpful. :P
My first thoughts were Orrefors, so we are of the same impression.
I would presume that it has a lead content as that makes for easier engraving etc. But to be honest, I don't know how to tell :oops:  :oops:  :oops: (showing my total lack of knowledge now)
I have looked in Ivo's book at the engravers of Orrefors. Only 2 (listed) have a surname beginning with M, Karl Müller (KM) and Rickard Möller (??)
I don't think it could be Karl Müller as he was there in the 20's.
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2006, 08:03:42 PM »
If you take your vase out into the garden when it is sunny and look through the glass you may see a 'rainbow aura'. It isn't the same as an irridessence, it isn't on the surface of the glass. It is like lead crystal but the 'rainbows' colour isn't as strong.A lot of scandi pieces have a lead content to make the glass clearer.
 The first initial really could be K,R,F,B,J???? Look for an engraver who was also a doctor!!!!
It is a lovely piece, looks very touchable.
Lou*
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2006, 08:59:43 AM »
Hi Lou,
Well the sun is out, so I have been in the garden. I also took out a piece which I know is definitely Scandinavian and they both have the same 'look' in the sun.
I also noticed  :oops: that the piece isn't all one colour, it is cased, so ignore my comment in the first posting. :oops:

Quote from: "lucyw"
an engraver who was also a doctor!!!!


 :lol:  :lol: That was going to be the original title of my posting.

It is 'touchable' too. :P
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2006, 09:10:04 AM »
:D:D:D

Something about this vase shrieks "CAITHNESS".

I have a vase this shape, and Ray recently put up a picture of a rare Caithness art glass vase, made in the Wick Studio. Same shape as this!

The engraving and how it is marked also chorus "Caithness".

Have a look at the "Galleon" vase here.

http://www.ysartglass.com/Scotglass/Caithness/CGwareG001.htm

 :D
Cheers, Sue (M)

All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth. Friedrich Nietzsche


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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2006, 11:19:19 AM »
Hi Sue,
 :lol:  :lol:

That is one gorgeous vase!
Thanks for the link.

I did try looking on the engravers website, but of course you need a name of the engraver to find out more, or at least 3 letters. :cry:

Unfortunately, the only markings on mine, are the initials. The quality of the engraving is amazing, I just wish I could capture it on a photo. :cry:  :cry:
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2006, 11:46:27 AM »
:D :D :D

Hello Della,

This was the thread Ray's vase was in:-
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,4819.0.html
Mod: Link is broken. See http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,5552.0.html for more about Caithness and the Wick Studio

Just because it's not got the full markings that Ray's has, does not mean it's not Caithness! I've found Caithness can be marked in several ways, also, not marked at all. I think that if initials are present, it is artist engraved rather than factory-line stencilled and acid-etched, or at least, finished by the artist.
For example, I've seen a vase marked just "owl, '02", with a nice, but simple, owl acid etched on it.
I've got a neodynum vase with 2 illegible initials on it with an acid etched bird, but finished by hand with stipple engraving.
My other vase, which is similar to Ray's, but has no picture on it at all, has no mark at all.
I've seen nicely engraved pieces with the pattern name, eg "Autumn Leaves" and a couple of initials on it (can't remember the initials, sorry :oops: ).

Unless Ivo or Bill G leap in and say it's Scandanavian, I would think Caithness is your best bet.
Cheers, Sue (M)

All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth. Friedrich Nietzsche


 

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