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Offline Nadine

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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2006, 09:34:44 PM »
P.S. When I send my absentee bid to the auction house I only calculated the price of the 2 Baccarats and the Clichy.
But after studying with a magnifying glass, I think that the mystery weight probably is the real star of this lot  :lol:


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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2006, 07:15:59 AM »
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I think that the mystery weight probably is the real star of this lot  :lol:

I would have to say I agree - even on the strength of the pictures we've seen so far!   :shock:   Lucky you!  :D
Leni


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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2006, 10:35:21 AM »
Hello,

while I was at the Bodensee Ronny took some pictures of the mystery weight.

You can find them here: http://web888.can13.de/webbrowser/unknown/index.html

The pictures are in "bigger" size to show you more details, hope this is ok.

After studying the Article from Paul Dunlop in the 2005 PCA-Bulletin I´m not sure if this weight will be a (late) Clichy or a Pantin, or probably VSL ?
I´ll send the pictures also to Paul and let you know his oppinion as soon as I get an answer.

Have all a very nice friday!

Nadine


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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2006, 05:41:05 PM »
hi Nadine, what's the base like
cheers Ray


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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2006, 08:30:27 PM »
Ray

See my earlier posting - I put a picture of the base on
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2006, 08:51:42 PM »
thanks Martin, the base looks polished flat no basle ring,
cheers Ray

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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2006, 09:02:14 PM »
Hello Ray,
yes you are right, the base is flat, polished, without a ring.

Thanks Martin for the pictures, on my pictures the base is really hard to see.

I think it´s not St. Louis or VSL.
A possibility for Clichy are the parallel Latticinios at the base and the Mini-Roses which a also explained by Paul Hollister in his Encyclopedia of Paperweigths, but normaly they are not set in Canes like in this weight.

Paul Dunlop wrote in his PCA-Article, that some weights, which were identifyied as Clichy in the past, are now attributed to Pantin so I´m very curious about his meaning.

Nadine

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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2006, 10:00:54 PM »
how about a baccarat dupont
cheers Ray

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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2006, 11:20:29 AM »
I look forward to a future PCA Bulletin article about this weight - it just has to be submitted as an article as it is a very interesting weight. :D

I have no firm ideas myself but I would say:

1. Ray - I don't think this is a Baccarat Dupont

2. The "tosade" is made of small lengths of "barber pole" cane, unlike (most) VSL torsades which were continous. This is a hint at "no" for VSL.

3. There are (at least) 3 different shades of bright yellow in the canes. I have not yet located any regular antique French weights with that sort of use of yellows, but VSL did use bright yellows - and so did the Bohemians. This is a hint at "yes" for VSL or Bohemian.

4. The majority of canes are very intricate and seem (to me) to show features similar to all of French, Bohemian and Belgian. This is a hint at "confused" for any attribution.
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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2006, 11:55:27 AM »
Hello KevH,

some Pantin weights with Millefiori you can find at page 24, (Figure 19, 20, 21), page 25 (Figure 22) and page 26 (Figure 23) of the 2005 PCA Bulletin. There you also find the very interesting Article from Paul Dunlop.

Figure 5 on Page 20 has the same parallel filigree twists, like my mystery weight. The rose shown in Figure 9b is also very similar to the one in my new weight.

The miniature Roses in the yellow canes may be a hint for Clichy but the flat polished base without a basal ring could be more a hint for Pantin.

I saw some VSL weights, but they never had such great canes like this weight.

The shape of the weight is very unusual for bohemian pieces, also his size and weight, as it is very heavy. At least, the canes are too perfect for bohemian weights.

I´m very unsure between Clichy or Pantin. Hopefully Paul Dunlop can help :)

Have a nice Saturday!

Nadine

 

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