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Offline chezholloway

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Help with German Goblets I
« on: April 25, 2013, 12:12:42 AM »
Hello All,

Here are a pair of German goblets I recently found in a thrift shop.

 I have tried to research them, but really don't know what I have.  The goblets have a folded up foot, a bubble in the   knopf (hope that is the right term) and seven bubbles surrounding a central eighth bubble at the base of the cup.  They are both signed in enamel ""Gebr. Geoderke Hannover", by the enamelists, I presume.  The Graf's goblet also has at he underside of the stem, a very fuzzy etched mark that was impossible to photograph.  After much examination, my guess is that it is a shield with  possibly a rampant something on it topped by a crown with lettering around it, the last five letters may spell out "hutte".

 Each one has a finely enameled coat of arms in many colors (the wild men on the Graf's goblet have individual hairs painted on their limbs), and each has a dated inscription on the other side.

I have come across many terms such as "Kelchglas", "Wappenglas" and "Historismus" and don't know which apply to these.  My Deutsch is not good enough to understand the inscription, and I don't know what the dates , for ex., 1890/2 signify.

Also,  are these as old as the dates on them?  They are in such perfect condition it is hard to believe.  Is Geyso  on the Grafin's goblet a place or her maiden name?

Thanks for looking,
Adair

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German Goblets II
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2013, 12:17:26 AM »
I'm adding a few more pictures to include the second Goblet of the pair.

Thanks again,

Adair

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Re: Help with German Goblets I
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2013, 01:50:11 AM »
Topics merged to keep all the images together. :)

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Re: Help with German Goblets I
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2013, 07:53:33 AM »
Hi Adair,
these are all personal names, so there´s nothing to translate really.
Frhr. stands for Freiherr=baron, so it´s baron von der Reck and s.o. named von Geyso.
Von Hardenberg are a noble bloodline in the city of Hannover.
Sorry, I don´t know what the abbreviations in the middle szand for, but I suppose it has
to do with some kind of dedication.
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Re: Help with German Goblets I
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2013, 10:00:35 AM »
Hi ,
            These look to me like German glasses from the Lauenstein glasshouse , if your rampant something looks like a lion then Lauenstein it will be , they have made glasses in this form since the early 18thc ,these look to be the date on the inscription ,or possibly a little later in commemoration of something , very nicely enameled too .

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Re: Help with German Goblets I
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2013, 10:43:28 AM »
Thank you, Peter. Knew I should have recognised them...  ;D but couldn´t put my finger on it.

Adair, google found me the von Recke´s (Wiki says their name was changed from Reck into Recke in 1897) website. Maybe you want
to contact them and ask about the date? The diction 1890/2 should give a period - from 1890-1892 - IMO, but I´m not 100% sure.
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Re: Help with German Goblets I
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2013, 04:24:36 PM »
Thank you Anne for merging the two posts, and thank you Dirk and Peter for your information.  I will follow up  on both the von Recke and Lauenstein suggestions, although "the rampant something" really is just a guess.

Adair

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Re: Help with German Goblets I
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2013, 06:34:01 PM »
Hi again Adair, sorry I didn't comment earlier, it was a hit-and-run merge between other jobs, but I wanted to come back and look at these again as they are quite lovely!

I had a search and found this page http://www.steinmarks.co.uk/pages/pv.asp?p=stein84 which mentions Gebrüder Goedecke, Hannover, who I think may be the same as on your glasses? They seem to have been specialists in armorial designs from the stein page and started in business in 1883.   If you put the phrase Gebr. Gödecke Hannover into Google search it will find you more examples of their work too.

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Re: Help with German Goblets I
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2013, 06:40:28 PM »
Hello Anne,

As you can see in the attached photo, the tiny enameled signature of the Gebr. Goedecke on the goblets  is the same as is on the steins.  Given the period that they were in business, this confirms that the Goblets are about as old as the dates on them.

I am forever surprised by what I find in thrift shops here.

Thanks,

Adair

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