Topic: Pilgrim or poison bottle?

[Joscyn]

I picked this up yesterday.  It was filthy and had a black residue in the bottom, which I was very careful in cleaning out.  It has a very rough pontil and a few interesting details - the "ruff" (is this the right term?) is a single swirl of glass, the "ribs" extend up the neck under the "ruff" and the base is dimpled, like modern wine bottles.

It has a very attractive smokey swirl through it (just visible).  It measures 13.5 (high) x 10 cm (widest).

Any information gratefully received.

Thanks again,

Ian
Brighton

[chopin-liszt]

It's very hard to make anything out from your pic - it's a bit out of focus.
From what I can see, it looks very like the bottom part of an Empoli "genie bottle", although the band around the neck and the rim don't look quite right for Empoli.

[Joscyn]

Sorry - here is one in a bit better focus where the "ruff" is clearer as well as the swirl running through the bottle.
Yours sincerely,
Ian

[oldglassman]

Hi ,
        Can we have a clear shot of the base , the pontil mark in particular.

cheers ,
                  Peter.

[chopin-liszt]

The glass now appears to have a lot of small bubbles in it?
The optic ribbing  seems to be on the outside, so I would exclude Empoli.

The combination of the band (is that what you are calling the ruff?) and the bubbles are suggesting Mexican or Spanish recycled glass to me...  a bit. 

[Joscyn]

I am not very used to photographing pontils for the group so I have given it my best shot.  It is 2.6cm in diameter and rough but not sharp.  I hope the enclosed are helpful?
Many, many thanks from a learner!
Ian
Brighton

[Joscyn]

The glass does have lots of small bubbles throughout scattered randomly.

[chopin-liszt]

From that pontil mark (the pontil is the long iron rod the glass is blown on, it leaves a "pontil mark" when it is broken off - sorry, big bugbear of mine!) and with your confirmation there are lots of tiny ramdom bubbles - that only makes things look more and more Mexican or Spanish recycled.
 

[Lustrousstone]

I would actually go with old. Not sure how old or where from or what. The iron residue on the pontil mark is not uncommon on old glass, along with the bubbles and the striations. The band is apparently to stop it slipping out of your hand.

[Joscyn]

*Blush* Sorry, pontil mark!  Learning every day!
Ian