Topic: Sowerby ? Wine cooler

[mhgcgolfclub]

I bought this a few years ago looks very much like a wine cooler, but maybe a little on the small size to be one.
There are 3 lugs on inside of the base.
Tree bark design.
I always thought it was Sowerby and with the date lozenge I thought it would be easy to confirm the maker, but I have never been able to confirm this as the lozenge although quite clear does not quite add up.
Height 4.75"
Diameter of rim 5.25"

Roy

[Paul S.]

hello Roy  -  can you tell us what, if anything of the lozenge that you can see.         Might it be one of the diamonds in reverse?

[Paul S.]

had I looked at your good quality pic I'd have seen what you mean - going back to sleep.

[mhgcgolfclub]

Hi Paul

I have spent several hours looking at every combination. I would say second cycle ,if you reversed it it would be wrong . Even if you go on x x and parcel 9 there is nothing to match , the day of the month looks like a 7 on its side.

Roy

[bfg]

if you don't put the second X (month) in the translator and use the wildcard (?) facility instead and then go through all the dates for the month (1 to 31) you get two hits:

Parcel Number: 9 was registered on the 10th of September 1868 by:
Boulton & Mills, Stourbridge.

and

Parcel Number: 9 was registered on the 31st of January 1868 by:
Molineaux, Webb & Co., Manchester.

no Sowerby though. Yes, I'm that bored! any help?

Mel

[Paul S.]

Anything is worth a shot Mel.....           I've just looked through pictures for 1868 and can't see it anywhere.            More sleuthing appears necessary.

[bfg]

oh well Paul, nothing ventured :-)

[agincourt17]

If the design was Sowerby, Roy, then the year letter on the lozenge would have to translate to 1872+ (Sowerby's first design registration being on 2 February 1872 - Parcel 1).

There have been a few of these peculiar or anomolous lozenges on the GMB before, and Greener seems to have been a potenial culprit in some cases, but it's not like any Greener registration that I can remember seeing.

Definitely not the Molineaux, Webb & Co. registered design
https://sites.google.com/site/molwebbhistory/Home/registered-designs/molineaux-webb-designs-by-date/molineaux-webb-1868

and the Boulton & Mills registration description is for a blown jug
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res?_q=registered+design+221498&_sd=yyyy&_ed=yyyy
and is also shown in Gulliver (page 274).

I will try and have a look through the early Sowerby designs in the extant pattern books to see if there is anything similar.

Fred.

[mhgcgolfclub]

Thanks to all

I will keep trying to crack the code.

Roy