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can anyone help with info on two millefiori pieces please
« on: November 20, 2004, 06:03:17 PM »
I would appreciate any information about these two pieces of Paperweight glass.
The first is a vase,outer cased clear glass over scrambled millefiori backed by silver and the interior cased in clear green glass .
I do not know the correct terms.
The brown toffee like 'blobs' do not photograph but are sparkling bronze.
The size is approx 3.5" ht and the top ate its widest is 3.75" by 3" .
The pontil is flat ground.
I did wonder if it was Italian.
I have put some jpg
 also  via this shorter  this link. (hope it works !)

http://tinyurl.com/4b7d3
or long url
http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/dreamticket2/album?.dir=/d751&.src=ph&.tok=phpPHFCBxUUpiXIn
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The second is a large paperweight about 3.2" diam  x  2"ht.
Hardly any clear dome.
The pontil has been broken deeply so that the base which has been flat ground still shows some evidence of breaking off.
I haven't seen these wide  millefiore before but I only have a limited paperweight collection mostly from glass from Scotland.
I have put som jpg at this link.

http://tinyurl.com/6ucwm
or long url
http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/dreamticket2/album?.dir=bdeb&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/dreamticket2/my_photos

Thank you
Jean


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can anyone help with info on two millefiori pieces please
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2004, 06:08:52 PM »
they are A.VE.M  murano italy


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can anyone help with info on two millefiori pieces please
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2004, 10:58:42 PM »
they MIGHT be Avem "Tutti Frutti" pieces from the late 50s BUT be advised there are Chinese imitations of more recent vintage around. You can recognise those by the greyish tint of the glass (only of you have a real and fake one side by side)  and the bottom, instead of being polished high gloss smooth has a grey roughness to it. Cannot see the bottom from your photographs....
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Thank you for your help -extra jpgs added
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2004, 12:47:14 AM »
I have taken two more jpgs for each.
The Vase on seems to be clear glass well polished - there is a bit of surface wear -from the little of the clear cased glass it does not seem to be greyish
The paperweight - I have taken one with flash and the dark one without.
The gap where the pontil was broken off shows better on this.
I much appreciate all your help. Since the reply I have been able to  check on some sites  on the A VE M vases  and as you say  Ivo really need to check it side side by side with a known genuine.
Thank you.
Jean


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Paperweight jpgs
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2004, 06:56:21 PM »
I hope this works- I switched to Firefox a while back ( and ditched norton) now use AVG and Zone Alarm and Adaware and spybot and anything else that will keep the hackers at bay.
We know they copy jpgs - but to  take the lot off!
Seem to like the Einstein in Word for some reason!)
Have trouble with hackers etc - may be this was got at- have just checked Tiny url and it works this end with Firefox
-Went to a fair today and checked the base of the chineses paperweifghts - see waht Ivo meant by the grey.
But both these pieces have a good high polish to the ground pontil- apart from a bit of surface wear light scratch.
Haven't see anothe A VE M before in our travels here in UK - North of Watford!
Jean

http://tinyurl.com/5vf2h

http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/dreamticket2/album?.dir=/bdeb&.src=ph&.tok=ph1f4FCB0x9sjeQf


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can anyone help with info on two millefiori pieces please
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2004, 11:51:11 PM »
Like Frank, I cannot view the images for the paperweight. Depending on how I use the URL - from this site or copied and pasted - I get the message "The Page Cannot Be Displayed" or "No Photos Avaliable, dreamticket2 has not enabled any public albums ...".

I assume the latter message cannot be correct because I can see the pics of the possible AVEM small vase.

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I have a similar, but smaller, vase which may be one of the Chinese versions. It definitely has a ground base rather than the smooth unground finish. However, apart from that it is alsmost impossible to tell the difference between yours and mine in terms of the decoration style! If I get around to it (and if we get any decent daylight someday soon) I will post some images.

As for the paperweight that I cannot view, there is perhaps a clue in the description:
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haven't seen these wide millefiore before

I wonder whether "wide millefiori" means "large canes" and if so, it could be a regular Murano tourist-type item.

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If the images of the paperweight were simply moved into the Mini Vase folder, that should solve the display problem.
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All in the one album
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2004, 03:25:20 PM »
Quote from: "Ivo"
Here is the typical Chinese finish I was referring to.

http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=994&item=3762393105


Thank you all for your trouble.
I have placed all the pics in the one vase album now!
Just hope this works.
I have no idea why the second album  should be not working

The base of both pieces is polished ground and I checked some chinesepaperweights  at a fair yesterday so I do know now that mine is a better fine polished finish apart from a bit of shelf wear.
The dark jpg for the paperweight base used no flash and I reflected what light there was sin the room to bounce off the base to show where the pontil was broken deeply.
It is otherwise well polished -no grey.
Thank you
Jean
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can anyone help with info on two millefiori pieces please
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2004, 07:18:17 PM »
Hi Jean,

I can now see the paperweight photos - thanks for moving them.

Yep - it's a Murano - gift type. Typical large "very coggy" canes and typical coloured spatter ground. Often the ground has loads of aventurine bits and much less coloured blobs.

Can't say what period though. Same things seem to have been done from early 20th century to very recent.
KevinH


 

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