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Offline Keencollector

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ID coal bucket salt? - ID = Continental Can Company, USA
« on: November 01, 2013, 09:00:30 AM »
This amber coal bucket with wire handle was sold to me as W.H. Heppell but I cannot find this in any of the books I have.  Sowerby have a version with wire handle but pattern is different.  Maybe Davidson or
Greener ?????

 I could find only seven registrations for Heppell - Rd. Nos. 374437, 370524, 359806, 354935, 351191, 346543 and 338286-7 between August 1879 to December 1881.

Any assistance is greatly appreciated.  Thanks.


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Re: ID coal bucket salt?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2013, 02:16:44 PM »
Heppell registered RD 346543 on 17 February 1880. Jenny Thompson describes it as “(coal scuttle shape)” but I don’t think I have ever seen a marked example.

An online search of the summary from TNA simple reveals the design as having “no subject”.

Perhaps Paul S. has the particular design representation for RD 346543 among his collection, because that may well be definitive evidence one way or another. .

By the way, Jenny Thompson page 18 lists a total of 16 design registrations from Heppell between 26 August 1874 and 24 November 1882, (the ubiquitous coal wagon, fish jug, shells and dolphin series among them) but only the coal scuttle shape seems a likely candidate for your coal bucket.

Almost certainly not Sowerby (at least on the evidence of extant catalogues and pattern books). I suppose it could be Davidson or Greener, but this is the first time that I have seen anything resembling your coal bucket (especially in that amber glass with a wire handle).

Intriguing – thank you for showing it.

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Re: ID coal bucket salt?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2013, 04:21:50 PM »
Hello - according to the National Archives the image which corresponds to Hepple Registration 346543 is very different to the piece posted here  -  see the attached picture.
Sepia photographs again, so some lack of definition, and apologies for the girl sporting the latest knitware - I really have no idea how to 'crop' - which is what I assume is needed to isloate the coal scuttle.

The 'Register' gives brief descriptions for the majority of Registrations (for the 1842 - 84 period) but in this instance there is simply a blank, so it's very probable that Jenny Thompson would have looked at the same picture posted here, otherwise the lady would not have known it was a scuttle. :)


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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2013, 04:55:08 PM »
Thank you again for your prompt response and invaluable service, Paul.

I think this is the first online representation of RD 346543, and the GMB is proving to be a groundbreaker for collectors and researchers of British pressed glass and collectors yet again .

Not that different from the Burtles, Tate & Co. coal scuttle salt RD 510504 of 29 April 1907, but then again, how many real variations on a Victorian or Edwardian coal scuttle theme can there be?

Still leaves no definitive attribution for Margaret’s coal bucket though. Would Heppell really have gone to the trouble of producing a coal bucket from an unregistered design when it already had the coal scuttle?

Never mind, at least should I ever come across an example of the RD 346543 for sale then I ought quickly and easily to recognise what it is now (and snap it up quickly because it is obviously rare – and consequently likely to be underpriced assuming that no other GMB members are there first).

Fred.



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Re: ID coal bucket salt?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2013, 05:56:44 PM »
There is also a Sowerby item that is similar in shape with a diamond point motif on the exterior and a wire handle. "Rd 98215" (18 April 1888) is quite clear on the inside of my transparent blue example.
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2013, 07:53:53 PM »
Is it possible for you to post  photos of your Sowerby coal bucket for comparison please, James, preferably showing the mark?

Fred.

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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2013, 08:22:34 PM »
Doctor Google has come up with a slightly greyish green version of Margaret's coal bucket at
http://coinsandmoreonline.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14&products_id=266

Described as a “…cool vintage ashtray was made by the Continental Can Company in the early 1960s, shortly after taking over Hazel Atlas in 1957. Their 3 C's logo is on the bottom.” Accompanied by 2 photos.

A clear flint version is shown at
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/484559241127205666/

Another is shown attributed to Hazel Atlas at
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/484559241127205666/

and an amber one like yours at
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Glass-Coal-Bucket-Scuttle-Vintage-Ash-Tray-/220872580668

They all seem to be in the United States.

Fred. 

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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2013, 08:58:00 PM »
Is this like your Sowerby coal bucket, James?,  because I see that Jenny Thompson
(page 35) describes it as “imit. cut coal bucket…” .

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/1191413

From the US again, I notice.

Fred.

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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2013, 02:38:15 AM »
Is this like your Sowerby coal bucket, James?,  because I see that Jenny Thompson
(page 35) describes it as “imit. cut coal bucket…” .

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/1191413

From the US again, I notice.

Fred.


Fred - this Daisy & Button piece was made by Adams & Co. of Pittsburgh not Sowerby.

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Re: ID coal bucket salt?
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2013, 02:43:50 AM »
Hello

The Sowerby scuttle is shown on page 28 of Thompson's "The Identification of English Pressed Glass"

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