Topic: 2 old glasses

[satsumaxx]

2 old glasses, know nothing of origin or date of this.
I was told that the date of end 1800 ??
can someone help me, also the engraving of these coats of arms ??
19 cm and 20,50 cm
and what is the value of these glasses?
Thank you

[Antwerp1954]

These glasses, particularly the shape of the bowl, make me think of late 18th century glasses from southern Germany (Saxony, Thuringia, Hesse).

The motto Honi soit qui mal y pense (Old French: Shame on him who thinks evil of it) is the motto of the Order of the Garter, it's on the Royal Coat of Arms, appears on some army cap badges, has been on both British and 19th century German/Prussian coins.

I cannot identify the coats of arms on your glasses.

Value? Are there any chips, have the rims or feet been polished?  I've a few glasses from this region and period in my own collection so, depending on their condition they could be worth £70-£200 each. It would be good to determine the coat of arms.

[Antwerp1954]

The glass shown in the photo was bought in a German Auction house and dates from about 1780. Cost £210 or so. Note the bowl shape and compare with your glasses.

Where did you get your glasses? How did the seller describe them?

[oldglassman]

 Hi ,
           Both glasses are German , the first can be  dated by the arms which are for Stadholder Prince William IV (1711-51) ,the glass probably engraved between 1730 and 1750 in the Netherlands,the second  is probably Saxon from the 1st 1/2 of the 18th c,sorry can see the arms well enough to be sure but looks like a Dutch/Netherlands  coat of arms .

cheers ,
  Peter.

[Antwerp1954]

Peter

Do you have some sort of reference work to find these coats of arms? Truly impressed you knew what they were.  I've a couple of glasses with coats of arms on I've not been able to identify.

Thanks

Stuart

[oldglassman]

Hi ,
          The Rijksmuseum catalogues ,vol 2 especially can be helpful for these things,but as I think said before not easy to come by and usually pretty expensive,William 1V though is a pretty common coat of arms on glass.

cheers ,
              Peter.

[Antwerp1954]

Peter

Any ideas on the two coats of arms on these glasses?

Many thanks

Stuart

[oldglassman]

Hi ,
        Unfortunately there are a vast amount of engraved arms that cannot be identified with any certainty , these could be fictitious and purely for decoration or for some minor family,the first glass appears to have a single Lion which may relate to the arms of the County of Flanders , Southern Netherlands, the second I cant see anything immediately to identify its significance.

cheers ,
              Peter.

[bat20]

Hi all,just by chance i picked up this wine glass recently and was going to put it up at some point,but since we're on the subject i hope you don't mind me putting it up now,it has apolished pontil,long ring and to my eye some really good deep engraving,the two lions heads with collars doing a quick search maybe the Grimshaws,ok not the Windsors but hey ho,the lion has a crown and very small crosses on it, the photo doesn't do them justice,any thoughts on the date of the glass and info on such engraving,many thanks.

[KevinH]

Hi folks,

Unless we wish to have a thread for ID of Coats of Arms on Drinking Glasses, could we please not add additional ID requests to existing threads. It just ends up with confusion among various replies.