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Offline Leni

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Pedestal paperweight. Faked Schneider signature
« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2006, 05:21:28 PM »
Quote from: "Lustrousstone"
I suggested Charles Jnr and Robert three pages back but nobody took it on board :?

And I posted about an Eric Schneider who makes paperweights.  I have not had a reply from him, so I have no idea if his signature is anything like the one shown, and I have no idea if he has ever made paperweights like the one in question.  However, his existence proves there clearly is at least one person named Schneider who is currently making paperweights!  

But of course, there's none so blind ......  :roll:
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figuring it out
« Reply #51 on: June 16, 2006, 02:52:57 PM »
Honestly, the one thing really I'm learning in all of this is that the craftsperson tradition in terms of factory-made paperweights did not engender or allow personal pride in terms of signing something.

I guess an entire book could be written about tradespeople (mostly men) and craftspeople (again most men) in the 12th through 19th centuries making exquisite glass items, but not signing them individually; although sometimes the glass was signed, dated, or stamped by the factory. We know almost nothing about the men (were there any women?) who were kept in virtual isolation in small villages in France who made some of the world's greatest paperweights. Individual names are rare.

So, it comes as no surprise that this Schneider Pedestal weight continues to be a mystery. I was hoping that some people reading might know some people who collect or remember that they've seen one of these Schneider Pedestal weights in a show, or in a gallery, or at a museum.

I'm sort of saddened that, as noted, there might only be two of these because I really wanted there to be more to solve the mystery. I wanted someone to post something like: "hey, I got 20 of them and them came from my great aunt who bought them for a song as they were made by an apprentice who was allowed to do some work after hours at Millville." But nothing like this has happened. But I am also sort of happy that there are only two of them, mine and Mark's. Makes it all very cool.

 I even scoured every page of an online Chinese glass catalogue (talk about excess and talk about eye strain - if I looked at one more multi-colored clown I was going to scream) and nothing matched up. Thousands of glass pieces in that catalogue, and not one match. I looked at eBay auctions for Chinese glass and Murano glass and nothing matched up.

I searched Schneider on Google again and again and came up with the usual suspects.

There's a spectacular antique show coming soon to Liverpool, New York (near Syracuse), which is set up along a gorgegeous lake - the Onondaga. It's called the 23rd Annual Great American Antiquefest, July 21, 22, 23. Tons of glass, Belleek, buttons, glass, clothing, paintings, lamps, musical instruments, kitchenware, postcards, medals, furniture, pottery, etc. One year, one guy had something like 50 German paperweights from the late 19th century or the early 29th. One elderly couple has 5000 pieces of white cut glass layed out on red velvet. I asked the old time fellow how he packed them up. He said, "what doesn't sell gets wrapped up one piece at a time." Another dealer, two gay men, have 1000 pieces of Roseville for sale.

Anyway, I hope to find a few paperweights, especially another Pedestal Crocus signed by Schneider. In fact, I better.


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« Reply #52 on: June 16, 2006, 03:07:07 PM »
Sorry, had little time to deal with this one. It was not made by Schneider at Lorris. It was indeed a son of the original Schneiders who ran that plant until the 1980's. The few paperweights produced in the 1960's were all clear glass abstracts and did have a script signature just like the one on this. From this information I think it is clear that the signature is a fake - but some doubt will obviously remain.

Finding an unsigned match to one of these two weights might resolve the matter.

My source for this information is a Belgian dealer that specialises in quality glass and will be putting some original Schneider paperweights up for sale when the website is rebuilt www.tinyesveld.com

Should you want to contact her sooner then if you mention my corrspondence with her it should save time. I will email you some material privately.
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odds it's American
« Reply #53 on: June 16, 2006, 05:11:27 PM »
What are the chances that the pedestal paperweight in question is American-made? Could someone in New Jersey or New England have made it and also made the one Mark has?

I think the pedestal is American-made because of the clarity of the glass and the size. Probably made between 1890 and 1940.


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« Reply #54 on: June 16, 2006, 11:29:45 PM »
Thanks Frank. Unfortunately, I couldn't read the address area as it wasn't large enough. But the thought is appreciated. The company is Cr. Schneider, but the location is impossible to decipher. Can you just post the address? Is that the address of the collector or an auction house? Anyway, thanks.

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American?
« Reply #55 on: June 16, 2006, 11:31:42 PM »
As for the pedestal paperweight being American, as is hinted at by Girlglassguide, well, it could be possible. It does have some Millville factors to it.

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« Reply #56 on: June 17, 2006, 09:00:00 AM »
The address was posted earler in this thread but those are hi-res scans so you zoom in for detail.
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Pedestal paperweight. Faked Schneider signature
« Reply #57 on: June 18, 2006, 04:27:23 PM »
GirlGlassGuide wrote: What are the chances that the pedestal paperweight in question is American-made? Could someone in New Jersey or New England have made it and also made the one Mark has?

Answer: No chance.

See my previous posts in this thread as well as the threads regarding Ray's pedestal rose weight as to why.

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« Reply #58 on: June 30, 2006, 04:55:01 PM »
Then I think I will agree with you Mark that it is Murano and the Schenider imprint is the importer or exporter.

I read somewherein these message boards that a Roumanian or a Dane was making glass in mainland China. If a Roumanian or a Dane makes a paperweight in mainland China, is the paperweight Chinese or Roumanian or Danish?

If a Dane or Roumanian signs the weight that was made in China, it seems to me that it's a Roumanian or Danish weight.

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« Reply #59 on: June 30, 2006, 05:39:50 PM »
No, the signature is a fake copy of a genuine Schneider signature.
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