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Author Topic: Nazing or Whitefriars Vase and Dish? Confused Again!  (Read 1812 times)

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Offline BJB

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Nazing or Whitefriars Vase and Dish? Confused Again!
« on: May 14, 2006, 01:08:31 PM »
Hi All,

My latest finds include these two, and as I have had trouble with Nazing before, I would like some comments please, as they are similar but also very different :?

http://i2.tinypic.com/zn3rxx.jpg



The vase is a dark blue/green and some of the blue can be seen in the base, and it has Celery on the side. It is very heavy for its size and is similar to the cloudy vases made by Whitefrairs in the 1930's, as well as Nazing of the same time period :(


http://i1.tinypic.com/zn3sht.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/zn3sqv.jpg

The mushroom dish is a much brighter green, and not so heavy. It too has a ground pontil and the bubbles but looks very different.

http://i3.tinypic.com/zn4djt.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/zn4dw0.jpg



I am well confused :?  Barbara

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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2006, 01:33:56 PM »
I don't think the vase is WF, but hopefully one of the more expert people can hop in and answer that for you.

I have the mushroom dish and I'm pretty certain it's Nazing. It's exactly the same shape as yours, but a less vibrant green. I think Frank had an example of the Nazing green in a bowl which he thought was ugly - I wonder whether he still has the photos?

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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2006, 01:41:37 PM »
Hi Cathy,

I've dug my Nazing book out form under my bed (don't ask, but have found half a washer full, no wonder husband can't find socks) and I think they both might be Nazing, it was just the complete difference in colour.

Barbara

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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2006, 01:55:23 PM »
That style of colouring was regarded as Nazeing until Nigel suggested some possible alternative origins - until he publishes the research we will remain in the dark on these. The only ones that can be identified as Nazeing are the exact matches to the catalogue images in Geoff's book.
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2006, 02:05:17 PM »
Hi Frank,

Thats why I asked :wink: , as I know that Geoff and Nigel often "agree to disagree" on what might be what!

Barbara

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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2006, 02:06:22 PM »
Yes, come on guys lets get this straightened out please :)
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2006, 02:10:11 PM »
Yes please Frank, as a couple of years ago I was in the middle or a "Yes/No" debate, and I had to refund a person on an item, which was later confirmed to be Nazeing!

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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2006, 01:24:07 AM »
Hello Barbara,

My thoughts, for what they're worth.

The vase is NOT Nazeing. You describe it well and the photos, especially the base, both help. You have noted the weight, which as you say is heavy for general Nazeing wares. The colour is too muddy, or dull, for Nazeing, and the pontil is a good symmetrical round shape and brightly polished. Three characterisics that say it is not Nazeing. This, and some of the other items that I have seen with the same green colour, thickness of glass and finish are known Stevens & Williams shapes - so that is a possibility for the vase.

Personally, I find the green a little too garish and bright for Nazeing, but other characteristics, such as the thickness of the glass and the shape certainly suggest that factory.

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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2006, 11:34:57 AM »
Hi Nigel,

Many thanks for the information. It was the weight of the vase that made me think it was not Nazeing, it really is heavy, and the glass doesn't "feel" the same, if you know what I mean. I did wonder if the dish was the lighter green they made after the war? (WW11 that is)

Barbara

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