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Re: Stevens and Williams Arboresque question
« Reply #60 on: February 20, 2014, 05:52:46 PM »
By the 1930s it would have been known as Royal Brierley.
I looked up Royal Brierley Arboresque but the only reference I could find was this in the Corning.
Tantalising but unable to 'open'  any of the references. It is to a trade catalogue
that contains
'Stemware, tumblers, cut vases, bowls, decanters, celeries, etc.; also colored Arboresque.
Dated by reference to Stevens & Williams description books.'

http://www.cmog.org/library/royal-brierley-crystal-catalog-sheets-tableware

With reference this thread - they are unable to take queries at Broadfield House at the moment, however I have asked the question and if they have time they will look into this.  It's not as easy as just opening a book unfortunately.  The records are not held at Broadfield House. 
I'll come back if I have an update.

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Re: Stevens and Williams Arboresque question
« Reply #61 on: February 28, 2014, 08:28:42 PM »
I found this coming up in the Fieldings sale
http://fieldingsauctioneers.co.uk/lot/104883
'A large late 19th Century Stevens & Williams Arabesque bowl of circular form with a petal edged rim decorated with an applied white crackle finish over the graduated cranberry to clear ground, mounted to a silver plated twin handled stand with fruiting berry feet, width 24cm'


A crackle glass bowl with a white overlay crackle described as
Late 19th century Stevens and Williams Arabesque

I think there might have been some confusion somewhere in the books between Arabesque (description of) and the range named Arboresque (still to discover what this range might look like but have proposed it is possibly the range we know as Stevens and Williams rainbow).

No reply from Broadfield House on this query and I'm not able to go next week unfortunately (planning now to be there early April)
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Re: Stevens and Williams Arboresque question
« Reply #62 on: November 22, 2015, 10:18:19 PM »
This is an interesting thread, albeit a bit confusing at times. 

So, to add a little to the pot, I thought I would share two fairy lamp examples in the "arabesque" pattern.  The techniques are similar, but different.  Both fairy lamps have been seen with red, blue, and citron ground.  The large fairy lamp with the matching base has been identified in the 1895 Schreiber & Neffen catalog as model number 1491.

Information is welcomed.

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Re: Stevens and Williams Arboresque question
« Reply #63 on: November 22, 2015, 11:43:05 PM »
Jim thanks for posting those.  This appears to be the pattern book for 1894-1896
http://www.schreiber-neffen.com/attachments/article/10/P_1894-1896.pdf
according to these links
http://www.schreiber-neffen.com/index.php/en/databaze-2/sample-books

Do you know whereabouts or what page in the book your lamps might be please? I couldn't see them on going through it but I find reading pattern books very difficult.
edited to add - ah, I see there are more than one link to the 1895 period -
more links here:

http://www.schreiber-neffen.com/attachments/article/2/BP3_1894-1897.pdf
and here also:
http://www.schreiber-neffen.com/attachments/article/10/PH1_1894-1895.pdf

and the pattern No.1491 seems to appear on this link on the actual page of the pattern book 162
http://www.schreiber-neffen.com/attachments/article/10/PH1_1894-1895.pdf but doesn't look like your fairy lamp.
Is there a difference between the numbers on the catalogue and the pattern books maybe then as I notice you say 'catalog model number 1491'? Perhaps they are not the same?
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Re: Stevens and Williams Arboresque question
« Reply #64 on: November 22, 2015, 11:56:46 PM »


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Re: Stevens and Williams Arboresque question
« Reply #65 on: November 22, 2015, 11:59:22 PM »
ah, so did you mean no 1481?

That no 1481 appears here in the pattern books no 1481 on page 169 of the actual pattern book
http://www.schreiber-neffen.com/attachments/article/10/PH1_1894-1895.pdf

So there must have been a different numbering system as it doesn't look like the item in that catalogue page does it?

Even so, if that catalogue page is Schreiben and Neffen then perhaps some of these crackle glass pieces may be Schreiben and Neffen and we just need to find the shape in the pattern books.  No mean task as there appears to be hundreds  to go through  :-X

Thank you so much for posting this link Jim.  I wonder if quite a few crackle pieces have been misidentified and might now be corrected.  But I think finding the patterns/shapes is going to be a hard task :)
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Re: Stevens and Williams Arboresque question
« Reply #66 on: November 23, 2015, 12:13:34 AM »
Yes, my mistake on the catalog number.  If the catalog page number is different from the design book, I wonder if it could be found in another book? 


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Re: Stevens and Williams Arboresque question
« Reply #67 on: November 23, 2015, 07:36:27 AM »
It also appears on page 171 here
http://www.schreiber-neffen.com/attachments/article/10/PH1_1894-1895.pdf

where it says No 1487 Gleich no 1481

but it is still not a match.
I don't know what Gleich no means - whether they changed their pattern numbering or whether it's a link to another piece in the same shape but different decor or what?

However, if that decor is correct for Schreiben and Neffen then there will be other pieces out there possibly that have been misattributed to Kralik or Stevens and Williams or other makers no doubt.

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Re: Stevens and Williams Arboresque question
« Reply #68 on: November 23, 2015, 12:57:14 PM »
Unless I'm mistaken, gleich in German translates to "equal".  So, number 1487 equals 1481.

I wanted to thank you for leading me to the pattern books.  I have been slowly going through them and have uncovered many candle lamps that I was unaware of.  Some have been documented with actual lamps, but others are still waiting to be found.


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Re: Stevens and Williams Arboresque question
« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2015, 06:43:21 PM »
Jim could you tell us what type of surface the ruby / cranberry fairy lamp id'd as Schreiber and Neffen has? Is it a crackle type surface or smooth surface in and out? This is hard to tell from the thumbnail.

 

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