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« on: May 17, 2006, 08:05:35 AM »
I have several items with the "butterfly" mark which I have always been lead to believe are Baccarat but I keep seeing references to Hoffman in association with this mark???? I have also seen a listing that said Sabino??
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2006, 08:17:22 AM »
Hi,
You are not wrong, Heinrich Hoffmann, Gablonz (now Jablonec nad Nisou) used this emblem as a mark and several variants are known.

Baccarat, used paper labels, from 1860-1936 (Jackson, "20th Century Factory Glass") which consisted of line drawings of three pieces of glass.

Images would help in eliminating makers.

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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2006, 10:06:03 AM »
Hoffmann are the only glassworks to use the butterfly without text or other design elements. Muller Frere and Daum used the butterfly as part of the mark.

Baccarat never used a butterfly in any references I have.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2006, 08:55:10 PM »
I don't mean a butterfly as a seperate mark but incorporated in the design as in this box, listed as baccarat in antiques trade gazzette. You cannot make it out from this picture but there is a butterfly in the bottom right hand corner, i know because i have one.

Also which Hoffman would we be talking about.

http://i4.tinypic.com/zxml9k.jpg


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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2006, 09:06:06 PM »
Heinrich Hoffmann. Have a look at Pamela's site http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/aschenbecher/ascher.html, third set of pictures down. Click to see large picture


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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2006, 09:07:53 PM »
Pamela
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2006, 09:09:05 PM »
Christine, lovely to meet you in this thread!  :D
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2006, 09:09:39 PM »
Snap Pamela. I was just thinking you'd been quiet lately  :D


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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2006, 09:15:33 PM »
Great thanks.
Here are a couple more I have.
I have been sorting out the loft and the garage its like christmas all over again finding stuff i have not seen for years.
http://i4.tinypic.com/zxnt5y.jpg
http://i4.tinypic.com/zxntj7.jpg

The amethyst is my favourite, on this one the design is in relief.

 :D  :D
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2006, 09:17:04 PM »
SugarRock Le Casson - thank you!
Ian: the box should be traced in Hoffmanns' catalogues - a better photo could help to tell you the item #
Christine:  :?   :twisted:  thank you so much - it is the most busiest week of my life and I do not know why - really  :roll:
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