Author Topic: Butterfly mark (Read 3000 times)

redheat4 · « **on:** May 17, 2006, 08:05:35 AM »

I have several items with the "butterfly" mark which I have always been lead to believe are Baccarat but I keep seeing references to Hoffman in association with this mark?

I have also seen a listing that said Sabino??
:?: :shock:

Sklounion · « **Reply #1 on:** May 17, 2006, 08:17:22 AM »

Hi,
You are not wrong, Heinrich Hoffmann, Gablonz (now Jablonec nad Nisou) used this emblem as a mark and several variants are known.

Baccarat, used paper labels, from 1860-1936 (Jackson, "20th Century Factory Glass") which consisted of line drawings of three pieces of glass.

Images would help in eliminating makers.

Regards,
Le Casson

Frank · « **Reply #2 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:06:03 AM »

Hoffmann are the only glassworks to use the butterfly without text or other design elements. Muller Frere and Daum used the butterfly as part of the mark.

Baccarat never used a butterfly in any references I have.

redheat4 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 17, 2006, 08:55:10 PM »

I don't mean a butterfly as a seperate mark but incorporated in the design as in this box, listed as baccarat in antiques trade gazzette. You cannot make it out from this picture but there is a butterfly in the bottom right hand corner, i know because i have one.

Also which Hoffman would we be talking about.

http://i4.tinypic.com/zxml9k.jpg

:? :wink:
Ian

Lustrousstone · « **Reply #4 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:06:06 PM »

Heinrich Hoffmann. Have a look at Pamela's site http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/aschenbecher/ascher.html, third set of pictures down. Click to see large picture

pamela · « **Reply #5 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:07:53 PM »

http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/aschenbecher/02420.html
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/aschenbecher/02416.html

Hi Ian, do these help? Hoffmann Gablonz

pamela · « **Reply #6 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:09:05 PM »

Christine, lovely to meet you in this thread!

Lustrousstone · « **Reply #7 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:09:39 PM »

Snap Pamela. I was just thinking you'd been quiet lately

redheat4 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:15:33 PM »

Great thanks.
Here are a couple more I have.
I have been sorting out the loft and the garage its like christmas all over again finding stuff i have not seen for years.
http://i4.tinypic.com/zxnt5y.jpg
http://i4.tinypic.com/zxntj7.jpg

The amethyst is my favourite, on this one the design is in relief.

Ian

pamela · « **Reply #9 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:17:04 PM »

SugarRock Le Casson - thank you!
Ian: the box should be traced in Hoffmanns' catalogues - a better photo could help to tell you the item #
Christine: :? :twisted: thank you so much - it is the most busiest week of my life and I do not know why - really :roll:

Author Topic: Butterfly mark (Read 3000 times)

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